[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Jagr was described as a top 10 all time player and Lidstrom as the best defenceman ever in this thread. I think it's fair to say that's overrating them.
Jagr probably wasn't even a top 10 player in the 90s. Would a GM would acquire him for one of Lemieux, Gretzky, Forsberg, Fedorov, Sakic, Yzerman, Lindros in 1990? I really doubt it.

Lidstrom was basically a slightly better Bouwmeester. If he was on any other team I doubt he wins a single Norris. He wasn't actually that great defensively, it's one of the biggest myths in hockey. He wouldn't hit or block shots. Basically relied on positioning, which was often bad, especially in the 90s. He was pretty brilliant offensively I will say, very good vision. But again, he played on an allstar team his entire career. Pronger, Bourque, and probably Stevens were better. Doughty and Karlsson in their prime years were waaay better, but probably wont have as good careers.