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FYI a kick drum is when the kick pedel is attached to the base drum. The bass drum itself is also part of the kid. Christ man, can't you figure it out? I'm not saying your wrong, I'm saying that what I'm saying is correct; what your saying is correct as well, just a finer detail of it. Again, please... if you don't know dick about drums, then stop going around calling bullsh*t on everyone; it just makes you look stupid. Say, if a bass drum is called a "kick" then what is a bass drum with 2 kicks? Is the bass drum then called a 2 kick?
Wow! One whole dotted eighth note, and used in a non-pattern fashion. Man, you sure showed me. Don't worry about the rest of the score where he's hammering out that standard eight beat on the high hat. The fact that you managed to find that single dotted eighth means that this is the rock standard.
What is this, age getting to you? You must be losing your memory, I said early that dotted eights were done in 2 bar stanza's, while transitions to the chorus and after the chorus may be different and are usually improvised. Again, its clearly obvious that you've never held a pair of drum sticks before.
So the intro is the same as the rest of the music then? Is this what you are saying?
Generally, I haven't heard it in a while, but Zephyr song and Californication both do dotted eighth's or sixteens continuiously besidies transitions. Try tapping the beat to yourself and its not overly hard to figure out.
The drummer's job is all about timing and maintaining the timing for the rest of the band to follow.
You must be living on the past. True, the drummer's job is to keep the beat, but in music these days (especially >2000 music) there is alot more the drummer can do to create tension and release. Most drummers would sh*t on your idea that they are supposed to be just metrome's.
These "stanzas" which you refer are used to keep time.
You don't know what a Stanza is? Oh god. That's Grade 1 rudiments. I knew what a stanza was in Grade 2 for God's sake.
The transitions at the bridge are marked by the drummer's break in his rhythm. Creativity is important to a drummer, but the ability to maintain that rhythm and keep the beat and time for the song is the most important task a drummer has. More train wrecks have been caused by a drummer losing his tempo or varying from the anticipated or annotated score.
True, but I guess you never heard about rubato then.
Well, I'm glad you are giving this 12 bar blues crap some thought. It is the basis for all rock and roll music, so I'm glad you decided to give it some thought. I'm a little confused how a guy that has studied so much music and has such a long list of musical achievments doesn't recognize the role a drummer has in a rock (or country or jazz) band.
Let me hold your hand through this then...
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/conservatory/mus_theory.shtml
History III covers the Romantic Era, from Schubert to Tchaikovsky.
History IV covers 1400 years of music, from Pope Gregory to Beethoven.
History V covers the last century, from Debussy to R. Murray Schafer.
I studied Grade 3 History and part way through Grade 4. In piano, we don't cover rock stuff, ditto school bands, percussion was not rock (except Ritmo Suave - sp??) which ahd Rock beat I believe, and covered Rock beat briefly, but never went into detail. While lessons covered the set for half the time, exams were done by snare drum solo's, marimba's and timpini's. You should know that, I'm surprised you don't considering you claim to be so knowledgable. However, 12 bar blues was never covered.
You toss out the term "during the improv" like its going to have a bearing on the argument of playing regimented music. I don't care what happens during a jam session, we're talking about execution of a scored song, where improvisation is a no-no (or were you sick in school the day that your music teacher explained that factoid). The drummer's primary job is to act as the metronome and keep the band all playing at the speed or time.
Improv's are a no-no? Are you reading this kermit? Anyone else catching this? Yeah, bans never have their drummer do a solo.
It does not change the fact that the drummer is the time keeper for the band and is responsible for maintaining timing. If a drummer cannot keep a standard tempo and cannot maintain a beat which the band can play with, then he is not doing his job. What temp rubato does point out is how important the drummer's beat is, and the importantce of his ability to maintain time and lay down a beat that the band can follow. When the tempo changes it is crucial for the drummer to lead the way and give his band mates something to follow.
Is anybody catching this as well? Yeah, rubato is not used by drummers. Wake up, its 2004! Blink again and its 2005. Tempo ruberto is used by alot of drummers, especially in bands like Nickleback. What they do is keep the same timing, but when you force the beat forward while the rest of the band stays the same tempo, it creates tension - a forced feeling if you will. And its no isloated to just drummers, piano solo's - where it was introduced by either Liszt or Chopin, I believe - as well as bass parts of a band may do this. Tempo ruberto has been used quite a bit for the last 300 years ya know
Are you also suggesting that a drummer plays to a different time signature from the rest of the band?
Sigh... no I'm not.
Just curious as you are saying that the time signature is irrlelevant.
Where did I say that?
So you're telling me that a drummer's first and most important job is not to project and maintain time, but it is to improvise in the spot?
No, god you can be thick sometimes. What I said is, past the fundimentals of keeping a beat and good technique, what sets apart the men from the boys are a drummer's creativity. Any drummer here and probably most people in a rock band can tell you that. It's not hard to do buzz's, drum rolls, para-ditles and its variations, ect...
Gee Sparky, could it have anything to do with the dance itself and the waltz being a three step dance, hence there being three beats in a bar?
I'll rephrase this for you since you can't seem to grasp the question: What is the strength of 3/4 for Waltz? 3/4 is used for alot of music other then waltz, ya know, so why 3/4? Musically, there is a concept behind it. A elementary concept that any musician should know.
(PS: Its funny that you call me a "sparky," it's what us EE's are referred to since we can't be readily called E-E's like the ChemE's, MecE's and CivE's do... just a side note, I found that rather funny)
I have no idea what you are getting at nor talking about. Maybe be a little more precise in what you are asking.
Hint 2: How is the snare getting hit? Many blues and other slower music can get offset by the hard hit of a snare drum. I think I did this in... Grade 4 percussion.)
So, you never studied 20th century music?
No I didn't, but how again does that factor into me recognizing the level of music for Nickleback again? I don't see how your connecting the dots here.
yet it is you who continually throws out "facts" that you learned in your many music classes
Huh? Where? I point out techniques done by a drummer, tendencies I've seen from drummers, not "facts." Where do you get this stuff from?
I speak in practical terms and try to explain it so everyone can understand it.
Well kermit shot that down pretty good (that rock music just isn't a template anymore)
Since the majority of rock musicians have never taken music lessons, never studied music theory, and have never had to notate their own work
What happened to "any self respecting drummer would spaz if you called it a bass drum" ? Another usher at the Saddledome (Dave) were huge drummers, and as kermit can attest to, we know our stuff - and as kermit can also attest to, neither of us were going to blow a spaz if you called a part of the drum wrong. Ontop of that, kermit must be laughing at your ignorance when you talk about auto-pilot drumming to a constant beat.
have. The whole 12 bar blues angle. You have yet to explain a damn thing about rock music and are talking crap about the Romantic period and the classics. I guess I should ask you if you even know what 12 bar blues is? I should also ask why a highly trained drummer like yourself has not even mentioned a single rudiment. You do know what a rudiment is don't you? You have not even mentioned a single one to support your claim that the dotted eighth note is the dominant rudiment (which it is not). As a matter of fact, here are the 13 percussive rudiments. Please find that dotted eighth note in there for us.
You dodged the point. Way to go to show you don't know what the hell your talkign about. I have repeated told you that I've never studied post 1900 must, which you seem to miss every time.
However, I keep on bringing this up because when talking about 4/4 timing, there is essential element that sets that apart from, say, 2/2 or 2/4 timing - there is a reason why these may have the same beats (as opposed to 3/4 or 6/8) but 4/4 is primarly used. If you understood it, you might actually get why dotted eights and dotted sixteens are used. Please, stop embarassing yourself with your ignorance about drums. I'm not going to try and pretend that I've studied rock music nor have I, but you insist on talking out of your ass about what you don't know.
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Who said that a dotted eights and sixteens are elementary rudiment exercies?
As you will see the rudiments are written in standard time (4/4). The annotations for 3/4, 6/8 and 2/4 are shown so you can see they are the exact same rudiment (pattern) used, just annotated differently to work with the restricted beats in the bar. Or is this too simple for your advanced mind to comprehend?
Do you have any idea why the signicture change?
As well, you know those are fundimental techniques for a snare or drum pad? And not a set?
Hey, why don't YOU educate us all as to why 3/4, 2/4, 2/2, 6/8 or even the odd 5/4 and 7/4 are not used in rock music (I mean besides them being awkward for the music written and too complex for the average garage band to play). Please, you want to shine, here's your chance.
Because I want to see if you know. It's elementary music for any musician, forget drumemrs. If you can't figure it out, admit it and I'll let you know.
So you've got a bunch of pieces of paper. So what? cIts a nice resume, but an you actually execute what you learned? Can you apply it? I'm not so sure. So far you have not shown any understanding of basic rock and roll nor its roots.
Execute what I've learned/ I've performed if thats why your asking. You asked me for my credentials, I tell you and I prove who I am. Otherwise, what are you trying to prove?
(PS: Sorry for the horrible spelling)