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Old 03-10-2020, 01:05 PM   #509
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This is merely a guess on my part, but I'd imagine if the non-prison based version doesn't have a means of enforcing strict compliance (you don't get to leave / opt-out just because you want to), then it would perform worse on that basis alone.

Deviaant said "You can't force confinement of a person, and that's what intensive treatment would look like" but I would posit that a prison based treatment program is more or less exactly that. And that's probably why it's so successful.
A prison based treatment program isn't quite forced confinement though. The individual is already confined then goes to the treatment program. The non-prison based one might work, but you have to find a way for the individuals to really want to comply in the first place such as those who found benefits of the program in prison per the documentary.

If I were to suggest an idea that is in between the two, it might be along the lines of...

If an individual ODs twice that they need resuscitation by medical professionals (ie: A known regular), IMO it could be grounds for a fine with mandatory court appearance to explain why they were using an illicit drug. The individual risks arrest if they don't show up in court. This could possibly bypass the forcible confinement argument by merely enforcing existing laws?

This also pulls known individuals off the streets to reduce strain on law enforcement and medical professionals.

Court wise, we're looking at a situation that's more akin to a serious speeding ticket with mandatory court appearance. The individual could choose the following:
1) Pay the fine. This is likely not possible for the habitual user.
2) Have the fine waived by entering kind of a super low risk prison running a 14/30 day program similar to the Codac one in the documentary (dunno how long something like this really needs). This is the option that is likely chosen due to financial reasons and it would be something much more akin to something like a SCS facility that individuals would not leave.

Even if the individual goes back to using it at least addresses the enforcement concerns of the community by temporarily pulling these individuals off the streets at least for a specific time period. By using the ticket method it also allows for enforcement without going full on criminal charges for these populations, many of which are vulnerable.

You possibly could even make it so that the SCS site at Chumir can be accessed only by individuals who have done the 14/30 day program. The 14/30 day program could also be used to collect data on the frequent users in a manner that hasn't necessarily been done before. Those that do the program might even be more inclined to stay at the SCS as opposed to running off to the surrounding community to consume?

Maybe with something like this, the Chumir SCS will function a lot closer as many imagined it would and it would also be a lot more harmonious with the surrounding communities?

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