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Old 02-13-2020, 12:03 PM   #1231
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UBI isn't a terrible idea but the Democrats problem is marketing. There are 3 words that scare conservatives or even right leaning liberals more than anything.

Free
Universal
Everyone

You say one of those three words the discussion is over.

Yang's message is to simply redivide the pot but the word universal is a killer. Why should my husband and I get UBI?I'm in a two income family.

They can redivide money up in different ways. Using Canadian numbers let's be creative. What is EI max now? 2000 per month over 10 months? Why not throw some UBI money in there but shorten the period so people actually look for jobs. Like 4000 over 7 months. You get 8000 more but just gor 7 months.

Or restructure old age. Now you get 800 per month plus 500 supplement if you are poor?

Reverse that. 500 and 800. You would save 300 on the majority of people and put that into EI. You're trying to help specifically the people who are going to lose they job to automation so put the money into EI so they have money to go back to school or put it in a specific educational grant for eliminated job workers.

A person like me should not be getting a cent of UBI.
I agree with Yang's argument that the only way that this possibly works is give it to everyone. It doesn't matter if you're poor or you're Bezos, everyone gets it. If you don't do that, you'll end up with the same issue we have right now, in that only a certain group qualifies for it, which then fosters resentment from people who pay taxes that fund this without getting anything out of it.

In the grand scheme of things, the 1% get their 1K a month (if they so choose), but it's 1% of the total pool given out. It at least gives off a better perception that it's truly universal and does not discriminate, plus, in theory, it cuts down a lot of admin work required for approval processes.
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