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Originally Posted by TorqueDog
Oh please, I've called you out twice already. If you're still hanging your hat on that one review that only talks about low-carb interventions for energy restriction, then there's nothing to talk about because you're not even coming to the table. You haven't addressed that low-carb has positive outcomes for other conditions, and -- no, baselessly asserting that those benefits would come with weight loss anyway is not an argument. Both blankall and I posted evidence for those. You completely flubbed with your one-liner reply about the thermic effect of protein because you missed the point.
Like I said, I think most people in this thread would be happy to just unsubscribe from your tripe contributions in this thread because they add nothing.
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Someone sounds like they're a little low in the blood sugar department. Maybe mix in some veggies?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28455679
Literally every benefit you listed for keto diets
are present with weight loss regardless of method.
Almost all of the studies you linked were talked about in the
review. Once again, that's what a review is. It assesses the quality of all the current studies, pools and analyzes the data, and arrives at best evidence conclusions. Which, again, were the following.
Collected from "key points":
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Originally Posted by The article you still haven't read
Longer-term (>6 months) results suggest that low-CHO and very-low-CHO diets may result in weight loss that is equivalent to that of HCLF diets.
Very-low-CHO diets are difficult to maintain and are not clearly superior for weight loss compared with diets that allow a higher amount of CHO in adults with overweight and obesity with or without diabetes.
Long-term participation in any weight loss intervention is difficult, but adherence to the assigned macronutrient distribution (ie, CHO, protein, and fat) is lower with low-CHO and, especially, very-low-CHO diets
All weight loss interventions using CHO-restriction appear to result in greater loss of lean body mass (LBM) compared with more macronutrient balanced hypocaloric diets.
Low-CHO diets resulted in a reduction in the use of diabetes medications, and reductions in the use of diabetes medications were achieved at CHO intake levels that do not induce ketosis.
Weight loss lowers CRP. However, current evidence does not support a difference between low-CHO and very-low-CHO diets compared with high-CHO, low-fat diets on the effects on CRP.
Research suggests unfavorable gut microbiota changes and fecal metabolite shifts associated with low-CHO and very-low-CHO diets; however, the clinical significance of these changes is unknown.
For long-term weight maintenance and CV health, it is recommended to gradually increase CHO intake. An emphasis should be placed on CHO foods associated with reduced cardiometabolic risk, including vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and legumes.
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There it is all laid out on a pretty platter for you. But you really should read the paper to know why they came to these conclusions.
You could also just sit there covering your ears because god forbid your miracle diet isn't quite as miraculous as you think. Again I ask, what is your stake in the game here? Do you make a living off selling keto? There's no reason to be so ignorant about the subject.