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You do realize that this so-called snake-oil salesmen is more qualified to speak on this subject than you are, correct? And has actually worked with patients and researched fasting, insulin, weight loss and the myriad of other issues involved with the modern diet, correct?
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And then he misleads people, like you, by saying clearly wrong things like a 30% reduction in calories will quickly result in a 30% reduction in BMR without mentioning that it actually resulted in a 25% reduction in weight prior. The exact purpose most people are trying to achieve with dieting. And then he makes sure to point out all the books he has for you buy. He has a motive to mislead.
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Though it is hilarious how the circle gang loves to jump on what I said. Basic fact is that a reduction in calories will equal a reduction in BMR short term, and especially long-term. Therefore for a healthy person, eating a healthy diet, one would think that your diet and the foods that you choose should be based around maintaining or increasing your BMR. This is where IF and Keto come in, and have been PROVEN to work. Unlike of course the standard cut calories to lose weight approach.
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Losing weight by keto will also reduce BMR. That's just how it works. As long as you don't literally starve yourself, however you get to the calorie deficiency will be mostly alright. Sure, absolutely there's value in nutrition but you can get that from all sorts of diets.
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Also, a big part of calorie restriction over a long-period of time is the subsequent loss of muscle tissue. Which of course as anyone will know will play a major part in lowering your BMR as well since it is widely known that increased muscle mass means your BMR will be higher.
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You keep confusing calorie restriction with starvation. There's a balance. Reduce your calories by 500 below your TDEE, losing a pound a week, and these negative side effects that result by reducing your calories by 1500 below the TDEE won't occur.
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Of course, then one would have to turn around and actually admit that fasting has been shown to help maintain muscle mass.
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Actually, fasting has resulted in deaths of billions of people through the ages. That is of course if you do it long enough, let's say 50 days of fasting, you will die or at least be extremely malnourished. We just call that starvation. It's almost like you can't look at the extreme to analyze the 'normal' process. Do it in moderation, just like other forms of calorie restrictions (calorie in, calorie out), then it's beneficial.
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Fasting is great for some people, I've said it multiple times. I'll continue to advocate for those who want to lose weight that way. We're on the same page. I just know that the science behind the weight loss is the same as everyone else. And yes, there is other benefits for people who have diabetes etc. Again, didn't disagree. I don't know why you're so adamant that people who lose weight by calorie reduction are somehow wrong? Let people lose weight how they want without pseudoscience bull####.