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Originally Posted by stone hands
why? seems like a very sensible take to me
we still need carpenters, plumbers and other type jobs. we live in a society that looks down upon honest, hard working blue collar jobs that literally build the country and has fostered this notion that unless you go and spend 4 years in university and become a middle manager, you've failed in life
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No one is saying that we don't need those types of jobs or that people who work blue-collar jobs are somehow less valuable than jobs requiring a college degree. It's right-wing virtue-signalling whenever those arguments are tossed out. We're saying that the class you're born into shouldn't dictate which careers you're able to choose from.
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
I get that you are are passionate about your socialist utopia and that's fine. You need to appreciate that not everyone sees that as the ideal and sees a lot of those policies as well meaning, but overly simplistic and can be fraught with pitfalls.
You can disagree with people's opinion on things, but it really detracts from the argument if you are going to attack the poster because they have a different idea on what is ideal than you do.
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I have no issue with people disagreeing with me. I have an issue with bad faith arguments, which Cliff has a history of instigating constantly on this board.