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Originally Posted by blankall
I really don't think he nailed the lore. He made up a bunch of stuff that was totally outside of the lore. New ships that were totally inefficient, running out of gas, hyperspace ramming, new force powers, force ghosts interacting with the real world, etc... These were all points that were key to his narrative, but totally inconsistent with established lore. Additionally, the tone was way off. For example, the bad guys walking around like monty python characters. This may have been the thing that bothers me the most about TLJ. The tone is just so far off any other installment, to the point of it feeling like a parody.
The future of the jedi religion? He just said it didn't exist anymore. What future? How is that even creative or well thought out?
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I won’t defend the movie making choices like the cold open, the casino planet or the low speed chase. They were bad. But watching each one again LTJ is clearly better the ROS. Under any bit of scrutiny Star Wars Maguffin Hunt falls a part. At least LTJ try’s to do something it succeeds creating a compelling Kylo/Rey relationship. It succeeds at making Luke interesting. It succeeds at making the universe feel lived in. It also fails at many things. But to me it tried to be its own movie in Star Wars. JJs first nostalgia fest was entertaining but then he just did it again. Treverrow continuing on from where LTJ left off seems like it would have been better.
New force powers have been introduced in every movie. It went from a feeling that guided you, to chucking rocks and lifting space ships, to force lightning, to dreams that tell the future, to magic light savers that could pass messages to Force time, to the force Dias re-birth / super ship killing lightning. Critiquing last Jedi for “new” force powers is ridiculous.
Rian didn’t say that the Jedi religion didn’t exist anymore. The movie ends on Yoda saying she has everything she needs and Rey having the books. It’s set up for Rey to rebuild the order into something new that won’t cause endless cycles of suffering.