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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
Has Israel ever done anything wrong?
The answer to that really defines whether there is any point in further discussion with you on the topic.
Israel has established many great things in the region and is an obvious bastion for coexistence by middle eastern standards.
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I think the better question is why don't people that want to debate about Israel actual debate? I am willing to discuss any subject, but with Israel, there are countless posters across the internet who have no interest in debate, only slander. That is the issue I call out. Israel, like every 'western' country, has certainly made mistakes, and many of us would like to debate that.
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
That said, this is not sports. You don't need to be on "Team Israel" and cheer all they do or be labelled an anti-Semite. I think Canada is great. I love living here. Wow are we ####ty about somethings though, and have a pretty ugly corners of our past. It's healthy to admit that. Watching any interactions of "settlers", the Israeli military and Palestinians shows some very clear missteps in creating further peace in the region by Israelis, and that shouldn't be brushed under the carpet. That doesn't mean you don't think Israel is illegitimate, nor does it mean you don't think that on the whole Israelis are a good people.
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That really hasn't happened in this thread and the most common thing to see now is to protect anti-semites with the claim that all criticism is labelled anti-semitism. It is a cheap ploy. Discuss Israel without a bias or double standard, without repeating the usual lies is a good way to start.
Settlers aren't all of Israel, nor is a suicide bomber all of another group of people. Don't see that discussed here, but I am happy to. You will find that the posters DO NOT want to discuss it here and my post history includes me calling that out time and time again. Thanks though for bringing it up.
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
There are ####ty people everywhere. The group of ####ty people in Israel are really not helping with any overarching progress toward making peace with their neighbours. Their actions shouldn't be excused. Nor should the detract from the actions of the non-####ty Israelis.
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Losers in Israel exist, just like every country. But Israel has been the side to bring about peace, and there is no debate on that. Israel's opponents would murder Israel as soon as they would dissidents in their own country. Israel's losers are often just a response to that.