[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's a myth that Israel was created just because of the holocaust. Jews had many many attempts to set up a sovereign nation, in what was a then a province of the Ottoman Empire. By the early 1800s there was already a Jewish majority in Jerusalem. Jews were going to declare an independent nation there before the holocaust happened. The Balfour declaration was made in 1917, long before the holocaust. If anything, the holocaust significantly weakened Israel's military position by diminishing the overall Jewish population.

Also, no independent Arab nation existed there until post WWI. A better analogy would be that if Canada broke up and a minority group that had a majority in an area founded their own nation on a small portion of the land and the rest of the land was given to the majority. The majority of Jewish Israelis are also descended from refugees from Arab/Muslims countries.

Your main issue, and not just with this point, is that your views are too simplistic and black/white. You've labelled certain groups as bad and others as good. You're giving lip service to "Iran not being perfect" but your views don't actually take that into account.

Also, Israel has never bombed Iran. They've hit Iranian proxy armies in Lebanon, Syria, etc.. but never actually attacked Iran itself.

My mistake, conflating Iran and Iraq