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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
Wars always create refugees, and those that become refugees almost always have nothing to do with starting the wars.
My position here, incidently, is not to blame Israel for the wars or the refugees or even the resentment it's existence has created, despite everyone's desire to make it about that.
My point was we should recognise the resentment isn't random and we caused it and that effects our ability to influence events in the region.
That as the 'west' particularly the US and UK, we cannot play the role of 'good guys' in the region, that we may not be able to do anything about our history in the region but by attempting to pretend we have done nothing wrong, that we haven't spent the last century effing the region sideways for our own benefit, stealing resources and land whenever we wanted something, usually by the installation of some thug puppet government that we supported.
All I am trying to point out is we aren't the 'good guys' in the middle east, that we are the cause of most of the regions current issues, now the region would clearly have its own different issues even if we hadn't effed with it for a century, but the issues it has now are the issues we created because we did eff with it for a century.
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There are rarely true good guys in conflicts been states. It's a falsehood to attribute emotions to states. States have interests, not emotions.
The major issues with Iran in the region relate to the Sunni and #####e conflict. Israel is just a distraction and scape goat that the Iranian government uses, as they attemp to spread influence via proxy armies.
Israel, despite the vastly disproportionate amount of press and attention it gets, has very little to do with the conflict, including in terms of land mass, scale, and casualties. For example, the total amount of casualties in the entire Israel/Palestinian conflict, including both sides, is about 30,000, over the course of 70+ years of conflict. Several times that many die every year in Iran's proxy war in Syria, alone.
You position is also somewhat dubious, as shifting attention to Israel in a discussion about Iran shooting down an airliner suggests that you are indeed attempting to blame Israel.