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Old 01-10-2020, 08:26 PM   #243
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My point was that there wouldn't have been a revolution if we had allowed the country to develop democratically in the 1930's instead of overthrowing their democratic Government in 43', there would have been no Khomeini.

Actually I will change this a bit, my point is we have screwed with that whole region for a century for no better reason than we wanted to get their oil as cheaply as possible, that the whole political mess there is a reaction to our actions. That by being the bad guy we have given political credibility to anyone who argues an anti western position, from Nassar to Khomeini, who knows what the region would look like if we left it alone but I doubt they would hate us as they do now
Why do you assume it wouldn't have been better though? If the west wasn't there, are they simply replaced with the Soviets?

You'll never get me arguing that the Western policy in the ME has worked out. I mean it clearly hasn't, but the answer will never be to just dust off our hands and walk away. It just won't happen.

Oil was the old answer, and just because it led to a lot of this doesn't mean we can just say "oh the US wants oil so hurr durr and look what we did". Sometimes countries have bad actors and after a while they should be seen as such and not just excused away as an echo to past policy.

They've had 40 years to decide they don't want to destroy Israel. They've had 40 years to stop fomenting terrorism in their neighbouring states, often with nothing to do with Western presence. They haven't

The West has ####ed up, and will likely continue to, but Iran is still a problem independent of that.
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