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DeluxeMoustache · 01-09-2020, 05:53 PM

I originally got to thinking about this when perusing the trade rumours thread which discussed Holtby’s contract situation

It made me think there could be a thread where we could discuss goaltending in general.

First topic I would like to look at is what goalies are worth, and how you go about establishing that.

Good teams can win cups with good old fashioned solid goalies, in my opinion. Crawford, Osgood, guys like that. Guys who are not in the Vezina conversation, and not in the 9-10 M contract conversation.

I also treat goalie stats that people like to cite, like wins and sv%, with a huge grain of salt.

- Wins are at least partially a team stat - Teams can outscore horrendous goaltending (see Smith, Mike 2018-19 Flames).

- Sv% is also at least partially a team stat - A bad goalie can certainly torpedo his own save percentage by letting in too many crappy goals playing behind any team (see Hiller, Jonas) but a good goalie also can sometimes put together an average save percentage on a crappy defensive team (see Kiprusoff, Miikka, under coach Keenan, Mike).

There has to be context considered in evaluating goalies because the common stats aren’t enough.

Now, you basically have maximum 31 teams with #1 goalies. Some of those teams are paying goalies handsomely now.

You know what? Let’s look at the goalies making greater than $5 M and see how that is working out.

Price - 10.5 - 16-15-4 3.01 .902
Bobrovsky - 10 - 15-12-5 3.33 .894
Lundqvist - 8.5 - 9-9-0 3.10 .910
Fleury - 7 - 18-9-2 2.84 .908
Rask - 7 - 16-4-2 2.29 .924
Gibson - 6.4 - 13-16-1 2.95 .906
Hello yuck - 6.17 - 20-12-3 2.69 .919
Holtby - 6.1 - 18-8-0 2.99 .901
Crawford - 6.0 - 7-12-1 3.10 .906
Schneider - 6.0 - 0-4-1 4.59 .852
Quick - 5.8 - 11-17-2 3.02 .895
Jones - 5.75 - 13-15-2 3.19 .890
Howard - 5.1 - 2-14-1 4.04 .884

So if you are a GM, and a goalie asks you for money, what do you think is a good answer and why?

(Just a side note for Flames fans. This list should make you feel pretty darn good about the Flames goaltending!)

01-09-2020, 05:53 PM	#1
DeluxeMoustache Moustache Join Date: Mar 2010 Exp:	All purpose goaltending thread I originally got to thinking about this when perusing the trade rumours thread which discussed Holtby’s contract situation It made me think there could be a thread where we could discuss goaltending in general. First topic I would like to look at is what goalies are worth, and how you go about establishing that. Good teams can win cups with good old fashioned solid goalies, in my opinion. Crawford, Osgood, guys like that. Guys who are not in the Vezina conversation, and not in the 9-10 M contract conversation. I also treat goalie stats that people like to cite, like wins and sv%, with a huge grain of salt. - Wins are at least partially a team stat - Teams can outscore horrendous goaltending (see Smith, Mike 2018-19 Flames). - Sv% is also at least partially a team stat - A bad goalie can certainly torpedo his own save percentage by letting in too many crappy goals playing behind any team (see Hiller, Jonas) but a good goalie also can sometimes put together an average save percentage on a crappy defensive team (see Kiprusoff, Miikka, under coach Keenan, Mike). There has to be context considered in evaluating goalies because the common stats aren’t enough. Now, you basically have maximum 31 teams with #1 goalies. Some of those teams are paying goalies handsomely now. You know what? Let’s look at the goalies making greater than $5 M and see how that is working out. Price - 10.5 - 16-15-4 3.01 .902 Bobrovsky - 10 - 15-12-5 3.33 .894 Lundqvist - 8.5 - 9-9-0 3.10 .910 Fleury - 7 - 18-9-2 2.84 .908 Rask - 7 - 16-4-2 2.29 .924 Gibson - 6.4 - 13-16-1 2.95 .906 Hello yuck - 6.17 - 20-12-3 2.69 .919 Holtby - 6.1 - 18-8-0 2.99 .901 Crawford - 6.0 - 7-12-1 3.10 .906 Schneider - 6.0 - 0-4-1 4.59 .852 Quick - 5.8 - 11-17-2 3.02 .895 Jones - 5.75 - 13-15-2 3.19 .890 Howard - 5.1 - 2-14-1 4.04 .884 So if you are a GM, and a goalie asks you for money, what do you think is a good answer and why? (Just a side note for Flames fans. This list should make you feel pretty darn good about the Flames goaltending!)