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Originally Posted by Fuzz
The biggest problem is they set out to make a trilogy with no plan. It's like the Ed Stelmach of trilogies.
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I think they always had a plan on how it would end (haven't read spoilers but clear where this is going):
I really enjoyed TFA and thought it was a great re-introduction. I also liked The Last Jedi and though it was good even though it wasn't as "fun" as TFA. I also don't think that Rian did anything that set the trilogy off course.
From I think my first review after seeing TLJ opening night I knew there was going to be parts that the fans that saw the OT as children weren't going to like (I'm 31 so I only saw the OT when I was older).
For two reasons:
1) It broke the perceptions that fan base had of what Luke would be, even though it was necessary for the plot and Rian got blamed for a plot that JJ started.
It was JJ that wrote the plot of Luke being in self exile having failed to stop the First Order from taking over. Yet when TLJ came out and needed to expand and elaborate on that storyline people blamed Rian for "Ruining Luke", when it was actually set up in TFA.
Also I kind of thought that the character of Luke pretty much mirrored what Luke was in the OT. Impulsive, whiny, and a bit of a dick. But in the end he would step up and be a bad ass to save the day. That's Luke in the OT too.
2) Snoke didn't end up being the "Big Bad" with a link to the past. For 24 months fans had theories on who Snoke could be, and what villian from the past he was. And when he pretty much got "easy killed" in the movie it broke all the fan theory and fan service that fans wanted.
I think Rian got a bad rap with TLJ. It was a good movie and JJ got to have all the fun of seeing your favorite characters on screen for the first time without really elaborating on plot, while TLJ was really left to explain all the hard parts that JJ failed to explain in the first movie.
JJ never explained why Luke was in exile, had Hans/Leia divorced with Ben in a bad spot with no explanation about their relationship, didn't explain how the First Order came into power, and left two cliffhangers around Rey's parentage (playing into fan service due to the whole Vader/Luke twist), and that Snoke was some big bad villian from the past.
In the end I've liked the first two movies but what I think hangs over the whole trilogy for the OT fan base is that it's just not the ended they wanted for Luke/Hans/Leia. They wanted the happy ending. Evil was defeated, the good guys won, and the universe went on with no more Sith. But it's hard to create and carry on the universe unless those characters had flaws and didn't actually defeat evil forever, so instead they got Broken Luke, Divorced Leia/Hans, and a universe in turmoil and that wasn't what they wanted.
Now though JJ was brought back to try and have a movie that moves the universe forward so that Kevin Feige can set up a Star Wars cinematic universe, while also trying to appease the sour grapes of the hard core Star Wars fan base after they hated TLJ and wanted more fan service.
I won't be surprised if the outcome ends up being a bit messy because of that, and you end up getting poor reviews because it doesn't go in the direction that the film critics that like TLJ wanted it to go forward with, but probably reviews better with fans because of the fan service.