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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Plus minus is such a wonky stat to put so much emphasis on. People are aware it’s influenced by teams, right?
Like -5 James Neal on the Flames was actually a worse player than -16 James Neal on the Oilers. -11 James Neal on Vegas was playing better than either of them.
But if plus minus means more to you than a Hart trophy and putting up almost a near point per game average, then yeah, you should hate Hall. But it’s a really genuinely silly thing to put a ton of stock in when you refuse to take team stats into consideration. It’s completely narrative driven.
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You have your opinion. And that’s fine.
It merits consideration among other stats.
Guess how hockey games are won. By outscoring your opponent. Goals for matter. Goals against matter. Especially for top line players. Those are the guys who are supposed to outscore the opponent. You don’t want a top line player that puts you in a position to hope the 4th line will pick up for their defensive blunders.
Some players are massive pluses over their career. Look at Crosby. He was a -1 his first year, and has never been an overall minus since, despite the coach often putting at least one plug on his line for him to drag around while they spread out the offence.
You never see the excuse about Crosby playing for a bad team because he elevates the other players on the ice and the team isn’t bad, because of him
He plays the right way and never cheats on defensive effort. Hall has offensive skills but does not play the right way defensively
You have all seen it. Don’t pretend you haven’t
You may want him on the team and that’s fine. I don’t
Given questions about him in the room and concerns around team chemistry, lack of defensive effort, and compromise of other uses for those dollars are the three main reasons.