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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
There is a fundamental difference between the protestors and the HK government and police. The protestors aren't an organization. They are not an organized body with a leadership system, systems of control and accountability or titles, roles, responsibilities and lines of report. They are a bunch of people who voluntarily engage in a dynamic movement. They are a spontaneous response to events in the city. Some of what has been done as part of these responses is reprehensible, such as violent attacks and some extreme property damage. That is what some individuals have done. It is how some individuals have responded to events. Those individuals have done some things I strongly disagree with. Still, this the spontaneous response of only some citizens to events in the city, not the controlled activity of an organization with leadership, structures and accountability.
The police and the HK government on the other hand are organized bodies with leadership, specific responsibility for the wellbeing of the city overall and can fairly be held accountable as a group for their actions and responses, or failures to respond. The government first let everyone down, including the police, by leaving the police to deal with a political conflict that they have no tools to resolve. They have continued to allow it to escalate. The police have also been recorded doing many awful things as the situation has gotten worse, seemingly with tacit endorsement of those who are leaders with power and capacity to enforce accountability of those under them. They allow it to get worse and worse, under their watch.
The responses of some citizens become more violent and confrontational, but the failure to find a nonviolent, political solution to what is a political problem can't merely be laid at the feet of a loose collection of individual citizens caught up in a movement. They don't have capacity to deliver the solutions needed to resolve public dissatisfaction. The only entities with capacity to deliver solutions are in government, and they aren't doing so. Instead they are actually participating in escalating the conflict. That is a tragedy for all of HK. The city is being allowed and enabled to descend into chaos by those with a prima facie responsibility for ensuring the opposite.
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Any movement needs a leader. Any revolution or cause that has produced real change has always had a group of leaders who can control the group to a degree. Leaders who can set out goals and methods. You make it sound like it's a good thing they are disorganized. It's not.
Also you are laying all the responsibility on the HK government because they are an organized body so only they have the ability to resolve the matter. How does the HK government come to an agreement with a group of people with no leader who are basically at this point glorified anarchists?
Seriously I would like to know what you think would be a reasonable way for the HK government to end this?