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I put the blame on TLJ for all of these
struggled to become a bad guy in TFA and seemingly crossed over with the dad murder. but then in next movie returns to waffling back and forth, and trashes his helmet so we're forced to endure his whiny baby tears.
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I like Adam Driver as an actor, I think he's been good in other Star Wars movies, I don't know if the casting has worked for me so far with the character of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. I remember that scene in TFA when he blows a spaz and destroys that control room and they pan outside and the Storm Troopers go walking the other way. I get that was played for laughs, but it was just cementing that Kylo is an emotionally unstable teenager. I thought that the idea of sacrificing his father so he could meet his destiny would be a great moment and we'd get a more monstrous Kylo Ren, but it didn't work out that way, and the scene where they're blasting Luke and he's screaming more more and Hux goes that's enough, I was baffled, are laser bolts that expensive. Kylo just hasn't worked, and I think they don't know how to balance, the fall to the darkside with scared teenager who thought his uncle was going to murder him. I don't know what his motivations really are.
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was only a brief hologram in TFA so the door was open to expand his character. instead was presented as a grinning dumbass in a bathrobe with no backstory or interesting plan/dialogue.
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Of all the characters Snoke really dissapointed me in the second movie. I mean he's extremely powerful, but the whole throne room speech and mopping the floor with Hux didn't create a character at all. I believe Rian knew that he was the sacrifice (There's that word) to Ren. But it didn't have meaning because they didn't develop Snoke as a real for real threat.
With Palpatine you knew he was a threat. In Empire they introduced him as a hologram, but in ROTJ, you just had a feeling that he was a major threat, he was running a high stakes poker game on two fronts. And he didn't lift a finger til the end, he sat there defenseless and was that confidence, and that made him awesome. Plus they gave him elf shoes. Seriously, and then again they had to do the sight gag of Hux staring at the corpse as it slid off the chair. It was almost to me equivalent to the accidental fart joke in any movie.
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they were reasonably competent in TFA, even if the nazi rally yelling isn't as menacing as a calm Tarkin. but suddenly Hux is now slapstick humor guy to get thrown around by force users, so that you can laugh as hard as when Jar Jar accidentally stepped in the doo doo.
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They were in the first movie decent, even though you only saw one ship. But that scene in taking the village was well done in terms of framing that these storm troopers could hit targets and not bang their heads on the roof. They built a death star that could practically shoot death stars. Hux was competent in that first movie. I liked the Nazi rally frankly because in a few lines it gave justification to the First Order so they weren't just mustache twirling heavies. The Republic is corrupt, supports the Resistance and brings disorder to the Galaxy. Simple
In the second movie, they made Hux a slimy back stabber, and not only did his incompetence get a Dreadnaught destroyed, but he called off the fighter attacks even though the First Order Fighters were kicking the Crap out of the Resistance Fleet and had destroyed their air cover. And yeah, the slow speed chase was really silly. Yeah the General Hugs thing was stupid and unfunny. But overall they just destroyed the character throughout that movie by making him a prat falling fool.
There were some really good moments in TLJ. I really liked the bitterness in Luke's voice when he talked about the arrogance of the Jedi. I liked the shades of Grey discussion when we saw arms dealers selling to both sides to get richer. But there was too much awkward, too much played for laughs and splash, and the Villains weren't good at being Villains.
When I go back to ESB in the near final scene when the Falcon goes to Hyperdrive, and Vader stares out the window for a second and then starts walking towards Piett, we all thought the same thing. Nice knowing you Admiral, but when he walks by without killing Piett it made Vader not only even more intimidating but really rounded out.
The Sequels have really missed the mark on that.
TLJ's flaws were too big to contain in a single movie, so it made TFA retroactively worse as well. which sucks cause I used to enjoy TFA a lot more before finding out what happens to all the characters later. sort of like how I don't think I'll watch early GoT seasons again even though they're amazing, because I know they just get turned into empty shells of themselves in the end.[/QUOTE]