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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Now it gets nasty? ok. I can play that game.
Dickenson DID indeed win a National Championship his senior year...and the Griz have won 1 more since. There are some great, great players who have come out of divison I-AA. Walter Payton, Brian Westbrook, Randy Moss, Chad Pennigton and Jerry Rice come to mind. No, Dickenson was not drafted....the main reason being his height.
I saw both Leaf and Dickenson play in college, several times. Both were phenomenal. Dickenson won the Walter Payton award as the outstanding 1_AA Player his senior year. Dickenson has taken every professional opportunity that has come his way and made the best of it. He's a winner. Leaf had the world on a platter and ****ed it away. Dickenson has been far, far, far more successful. How anyone can claim that a guy who couldn't cut it in pro football is better QB than Dickesnon amazes me. Clearly leadership and mental toughness are two qualities that contribute to the makeup of a successful QB...all the great ones have both. Leaf had neither. Dickenson may lack the size and some element of natural athleticism, but he is a leader and able to overcome adversity. He's a winner. Leaf's career ended with a Rose Bowl loss.
By the way, all I have said is Dickenson is a better QB than Ryan Leaf. Never said anything about 'best ever'...those were your words.
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Read your freaking posts YOU introduced the best ever claim, I replied with the same wording as you to show how dumb it was.
And it's just laughable that winning a Div II tourney wins you a NC. What a joke, it is clear that you are thinking objectively and not a silly little homer of a school in a irrelevant division. BTW, do you want me to list the pro players who have come from Div I for you? Big deal, a few guys come from Div II, it doesn't make it top tier football.
You can't compare Leaf to Dickenson in College ball. One played against PAC10 defences and the other played against players who couldn't play in the real college divisions. Apples and Oranges.
But you are right about one thing, Leaf never had heard, and I wouldn't pay him a dime to do anything ... I'm just simply saying that at the same point in their career, Sr in College, Leaf was better.