[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by delayedreflex

I assume this is referring to indirect deaths that could occur, primarily in the developing world, if they have to forego their use of fossil fuels, which could lead to various poverty-related deaths. For the most part, though, there are likely to be limited deaths that would occur due to GHG reductions in the first world - maybe a rise in suicides if the economy crashes hard, but I think that would be a relatively small scale compared to the poverty-related deaths (or climate-related deaths if we don't take action).

The scare mongering about an economic collapse is insane. Look at the economic collapse predicted by the reduction in coal use. Turns out the adoption of the solar panels and the new economy created here greatly surpassed the jobs lost and created better paying jobs.

Originally Posted by accord1999

It would mostly come from deaths in winter from fuel poverty. There are already claims that tens of thousands of old and vulnerable Brits are dying from not being able to keep their homes warm enough:






https://www.e3g.org/news/media-room/...o-cold-housing

Wait, these are current stats with available fossil fuels to heat homes. So the numbers of people who don't insulate or heat their homes with fossil fuels now are going to rise because they won't use fossil fuels in the future? Does not compute.

I think it is more likely that in the future a big part of changing economy will be changing building standards. I mean, here in Arizona we have seen improved building and insulation standards to help cool homes and make them more efficient to save energy. The state even put together programs to provide rebates and pay for such energy saving improvements like adding energy efficient air conditioning units and insulation to make older homes more efficient. I find it hard to believe that communities and governments are not going to take concerns like this into consideration and help people make transitions. The thought of massive deaths because people don't have access to fossil fuels is kind of silly, especially when they happen WITH these same fuels available.

Originally Posted by Ice_Weasel

If only the conversation was "how can we shift our economy to use our resources in a more responsible manner". This would be an actual conversation, and one that the oil and gas industry and its supporters would love to have. Instead, we are faced with the entrenched position that fossil fuels are evil, and the world is going to end in 11 years unless they are banned.

Yes, because the oil industry and their supporters have such well balanced beliefs and are open to discussions on the subject. I mean, we're going to experience massive die-offs each winter because people don't have oil. People are going to go live in caves, because of no oil. The civilized world is going to completely crumble and its going to be The Purge on a daily basis because of - you guessed it - no oil. Well balanced view. How did humans survive for a couple hundred thousand years prior to the discovery of oil?