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Originally Posted by Looger
yep, you're sure right aboot our version of secular.
in our version of 'secular' we place some people abopve others, and saddam's iraq did not - at least by religion.
his discrimination was more against anyone opposed to his despotic tight-fisted rule.
but to look at the mideast in general and then iraq under saddam - boy what a contrast.
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Hmmmmmm . . . . . . not necessarily.
You brought up female university graduates so . . . .
More than 50% of university graduates in Jordan are female. Egypt has a fairly high graduation rate for females as well, a goodly percentage of them in engineering. Sixty per cent of enrollees in university in the United Arab Emirates are women. Sixty per cent of university spaces in Iran are taken by women. I would assume places like Libya, Kuwait, etc would be similar.
And it goes on and on. Not at all different from Saddam's Iraq.
Women appear to be about 55% of Saudi university graduates . . . . but only 5% of the work force.
And maybe that last part is where Saddam might separate himself from the rest . . . graduating is fine but was that where the opportunity ended as it appears to be the case in Saudi? Or was there genuine opportunity in Saddam's Iraq? Or is Saudi the exception? Or is it simply common in poorer countries that the percentage of women in the workplace is naturally lower than it would be in a more prosperous society?
Obviously the Muslim world is littered with dictatorships, allegedly secular or obviously religious, of various degrees of benevolence and slaughter.
In this thread, I merely observed that the word secular as it seems to be applied to this debate really doesn't match up with what we in the west would agree "secular" would look like.
When the most dignified person at an execution is the sadistic raving lunatic strongman dictator, there's a problem with how it's being carried out.
I do not believe I ever said otherwise. Although I pointed out that mayhem and taunting at this kind of thing seems to have been the norm in ages past. Not excusing it . . . . just making an observation.
Cowperson