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Old 09-02-2019, 02:57 PM   #129
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Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty View Post
I understand what you're saying and it's particularly true now while we have dozens, if not hundreds of people applying for the same job and all are qualified to some degree.

But you are paying $20,000 in tuition, ~$4000 for textbooks, 5120 hours you could be working sept through april(40 hours per week x min wage = $77000), and living costs over four years for a 'leg up'.
Let's be clear in what you're tossing around here. You're claiming that you are better off taking a minimum wage job and forgoing education to save the minimal student debt load you're speaking of? How do you think you're going to get access to jobs you think you would have access to with a university degree with experience you would garner in a minimum wage job? Where are you getting the training to access the six figure jobs that the majority of the board claim to have? There's a disconnect here?

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The system is broken. It serves as a business for Universities at best, and a way to keep the current class system in place at worst (the rich pay for uni and get the good jobs, the poor take the minimum wage jobs they can get).
I don't disagree at all. Education is expensive, and it should be free. Educating our citizenry makes the country stronger and makes our democracy that much better. Education has got to the point where post-secondary schooling is mandatory to get a good paying job. That doesn't mean university for everyone, but some level of education or training that help people become skilled and qualified to work in an industry. There should be more access to vocational training and allow people to pursue their dreams without putting them behind the eight ball coming out of school.

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https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources...ions/education

Maybe they present the possibility of helping people move up the class system, my guess is that the majority of these people aren't that lowest quartile.

Plus, even as middle class, I went through 6.5 years of school in order to learn 5% of my field. And my degree is EXACTLY what my field is. I could have gotten that 5%, plus the 'soft skills' that are being discussed in this thread (learning how to read/critique research, social skills, etc) in a few courses.
6.5 years? So you do have a graduate degree to go with an undergrad? Does that not give you significant leg up on the competition? Have you not realized the benefit, or have you not found an employer will to pay for what your education is worth?

Brookings did a study on education and social mobility, shining a light on the ugliness of the system but the benefits it provides. In short, they echo some of what you say. Education is expensive, but not for the most disadvantaged. Those who need the most help are tending to get it. It is the middle that is feeling the pinch and this is where relief needs to come quickly.
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