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Originally Posted by MikePatton
It's almost like people as a collective (and also the individuals that speak loudest) aren't capable of holding opinions that aren't polarized. All good or all bad. If you're not in either of those camps, then one or both camps just lump you in with the other camp.
I'm sorry that you've had this experience. I'm about 400-450m away, which the statistics show makes quite a large difference so this is something I have no lived understanding of.
In your opinion, what would amount to positive changes for the surrounding community without reducing SCS efficacy? What would make you and other residents in the immediate area happy to keep the SCS where it is?
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Wexford place is where my POV comes from. It is literally one of the closest buildings to the Chumir. I moved from there a little while ago, but I'm still in the area relatively frequently since my cousin's unit is still there and I also do recreational activities at Beltline Aquatic. I am torn on the issue and I agree with your comment that many feel you have to be for it or against the SIS. I'd really love to see better harmony between the community and the SIS, but I don't have the energy or desire anymore to be part of the solution. The whole ordeal has been exhausting and it's tiresome feeling like a nuisance.
I've mentioned a few times that police presence would have helped a lot. To be fair, an increase in police presence is probably not going to cut down the crime a huge, but at least nearby residents don't have to feel abandoned etc. It's probably like those sound barriers by major roads. They apparently only cut down noise by 10-30%, but the complaints by residents that have them installed decreases by more than half.
That being said, I don't know if such a solution would even be as effective anyways. Many who were upset are long gone and those that are still around are so tired and fed up with everything they either just grin and bear it, or are planning exit strategies as well.
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Originally Posted by peter12
If you read the CPS report, they said that they are reporting all data that has been called in, as well as all CPS activity. If something is happening that is illegal, according to you, you should be calling it in.
How far do you want to move the goalposts? At some point, you are going to have to admit two things: 1) that even with the slight bump in crime since the recession, levels are still lower than they were 10-15 years ago, and 2) that the SIS is responding to an overall opioid crisis, the roots of which go far deeper than the immediate community experience.
If you read the report, CPS made that distinction, and noted that overall crime was still lower than it was 10-15 years ago with the exception of trespassing and vehicle break-ins. They are responding to this with more foot patrols and officer presence through the downtown.
Cities aren't little amber fossils that crystallize and preserve your community in perpetuity forever. They change, peak and fall, react and respond to all of the immense forces that push and pull a society along.
Better to be proactive, then withdraw.
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All fair points and I personally am exhausted with the topic at hand to really keep pouring more into the discussion, but...
1. 250M used as the goal post in the first place isn't typical. Most times, crime stats are done based on community, not specific locations. There was probably a specific demand for analysis to be done to explain the direct effects related to the SIS which is why the 250M radius was selected, but IMO, that context should be considered as unique and not extrapolated against the community.
2. The stats very likely aren't wrong. But there's also a significant feeling and difference to those in the area as well. As such, I suggested the possibility of a blind spot the way the stats are used/area covered (ie: context) that might be why there's such disconnect from those in the community vs the stats themselves.
3. Have you ever called something illegal in? It's not like I'm not sitting on a balcony, phone in hand waiting to call in illegal activity. Like any average person, I'm on the internet, watching Netflix etc. So saying those in the community should call things isn't exactly a useful suggestion. It's not like we have nothing better to do. Has CPS been called about illegal activity while I was in the area? Yes. (I watched someone break into a vehicle and drive off in it). If I see it, I'll call. But I'm not going to wait around looking for events to call in. It takes time to call it in, then 10-20 minutes for CPS to show up and however long additionally to give a statement of the events. 30 minutes for a "quick" one. It's not like you fire off a quick email for a minute and go on with your evening. It takes a pretty good chunk of time to call something in.
4. Why are you even talking about cities being in perpetuity forever when the discussion is more about the community? While I agree,
communities don't stay similar in perpetuity forever, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a gradual quality of life shift over a few years. This shift happened over months and is continuing to happen.
I think there are two sides to everything and both sides have very valid things to say, but with so few people listening on either side, the whole thing just goes around and around in circles with no progression. I'm going forward with what you said. I'm going to withdraw.