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Originally Posted by trackercowe
For the life of me I'll never figure out how DC screwed up Justice League. That should have been a sure thing, and now who knows when another one will see the light of day. Same with Superman for that matter, Marvel can make fricken Ant-Man work, yet DC/Warner's can't figure out Superman... Unbelievable.
Then are they even doing anything with most of their major heroes (Superman, Flash, Green Lantern). To me seems like most franchises are in permanent purgatory and who knows if/when any movies will see the light of day?
DC is still a complete and utter mess, a couple semi-hits really amounts to nothing, especially when the connection they had has basically been shattered. They're more like the Universal Monsters Universe than anything else, tried to world build and failed spectacularly.
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Not sure how you can qualify WW and Aquaman as "semi-hits". They managed to turn a laughing stock of a character in Aquaman into a billion dollar film. Wonder Woman's budget was less than $150 million, so it was a huge success with $820 million at the box office.
Both the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight rises made over 1 billion too. Suicide Squad also outperformed Ant-man.
The major problem with the DCEU was the "Snyder-verse" and then having the studios getting involved, leaving a jumbled mess. Snyder is gone from the DCEU now, and the non-Snyder movies have all been great.
You could qualify Shazam as a "semi-hit" based on box office performance, but this was a great superhero film.
If you want to look at actual quality of film-making, the two best superhero movies are "Logan" and the "Dark Knight", with both receiving critical acclaim outside the genre. The new Joker film is getting talk of being in that category too.
What the DC failed miserably at was making a cohesive universe, and Marvel is the only one to pull that off. I disagree that a movie like Justice League is easy to pull off. It's actually been nearly impossible for the studios to pull off successful team-up movies, with Marvel being the first to do so with the Avengers.
Marvel is what it is, and I quite enjoy many of the films. However, I quite like the variety that the other studios are providing.