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Originally Posted by GullFoss
This looks like a giant cherry picking excercise to me and comes across as super disingenuous to me.
There are 19 guys on that top 20 list not named monahan.
There are 15 players from that list that are hands down better at driving play than Monahan. Your side by side examples included 0 of 15 of them. Do a side by side example of Monahan vs anyone of the guys below.
1) Petersen
2) Backstom
3) kuznetzov
4) eichel
5) Aho
6) Malkin
7) point
8) stamkos
9) McDavid
10) Crosby
11) barkov
12) Mackinnon
13) tavares
14) Matthews
15) scheifele
Players in the top 20 list that are hands down better two way players (but not better play drivers). Your examples of Monahan being a better play driver included 1 of 2 of these elite two way players, which is a bad example, because even if Monahan was better at driving play, he's can't hold a cancel to their two way game.
16) O'Reilly
17) Bergeron
Centers in the top 20 list marginally better at driving play. Your examples included two of two of them. Seems cherry picked to me
17) Seguin
18) Giroux
Centers not included in the top 20 list that are substantially better at driving play than monahan. Your examples included 0 of 6.
19) getzlaf
20) dubois
21) kopitar
22) kreijci
23) toews
24) duchene
Guys on the top 20 list that are worse at driving play. Your examples included 1 of 1. Again, seems cherry picked to me.
1) Couture
The bottom line is that, if Monahan is a top 20 center, he's at the bottom of the list (and arguably shouldnt be on it at all) and he's not on the list because of his two way play or his ability to drive play. He's basically on it because he puts up a lot of points.
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So put your money where your mouth is and show comparisons of Monahan with some of the others. The other poster did a very good job of showing that Monahan is right there with a lot players people view as top centres. So you can't really just come in here and list a bunch of guys that are "for sure" better than Monahan with no stats to back it up.
Everyone knows Bergeron is better than Monahan but when Duchene is on your list of guys who are "for sure" better it gets pretty suspect.