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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Biggest issue with the deal from day one was that it was 1 year too long.
At the time you had Brodie, Hamilton, Hamonic, Giordano, all signed through 19-20.
And Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington, Fox, etc looking like they could be aiming to crack the lineup by 19-20.
The signing was fine because they did need that 2 year stop gap to bridge from that offseason to now, but it always looked like it was 1 year too long from the second it was signed based on the organization depth.
I'm not keeping tabs but when it comes to UFA signings across the league but I would guess they are right more than 50% of the time based on just looking at the Flames transactions over the last couple years.
I just look at the players in the Flames organization that "Advanced Stats" guys were adamant were bad players that shouldn't be signing / re-signing to long term contracts / Flames shouldn't have acquired here to start with (over the last 5 seasons).
Russell, Stone, Brouwer, Engelland, Bouma, Bollig, Colborne, Lazar, Hamonic
I think in that group really Engelland (fairly good bottom pairing D), and Hamonic (okay player but advanced stats folks thought acquisition cost was too high) were the ones you could say they were "wrong" about. So that's like 80% of the time.
And then if you look at the guys advanced stats were fond of that they were mad we either let go, or were happy when we acquired (or both in the case of Hamilton).
Byron, Frolik, Ryan, Hamilton (both times), Czarnik,
Only one there that I think there that the advanced stats group was probably wrong about was the initial hate of the return from the Hamilton trade to Carolina. The rest of the guys have probably been fine, Czarnik wasn't as good as they thought he'd be but not a boat anchor at all.
So much better than 50% there IMO.
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You have to make the comparisons relative to the overall view.
Russell, as expected
Stone, as expected
Brouwer, terrible
Engelland, good
Bouma, good for a while until injuries did him in
Bollig, blah
Colborne, clock hit midnight
Lazar, bad
Hamonic, very good
so I would not give the advanced stats praise there, relative to the overall view
on the good side:
Byron, lots of us liked
Frolik, as advertised
Ryan, really good
Hamilton, not nearly as good as the stats suggest
Czarnik, was a disappointment
again, I fail to see how the stats group did any better here
some right, some wrong, some in the middle - almost random, at it were