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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
^ I always get a kick out of ‘winning the cup’ as some sort of meaningful data point. Most goalies with a decent career play, what, 10 years?
Last year, 70 goalies saw 10 games. 97 percent of them didn’t win the cup. 1.5 percent of them really won the cup.
The team has to be good enough to win in order for the goalie to even have a chance, something out of his control. He can help, and must do so.
Basically any GM making a move for a goalie, if the cup is the goal, is statistically overwhelmingly likely to be unsuccessful.
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Some people might say it's the only meaningful data point.
The goalie also has to be good enough to win for the team to even have a chance.
Cup Winning Goalies who never achieved more than a single Vezina vote in a given year:
Ranford (1 vote in two separate years)
Matt Murray (0 votes...yet)
Only received votes after winning the cup:
Niemi finished 3rd in 2013
Cam Ward (won cup in rookie year...finished 7th twice)
Fleury (several seasons)
Crawford (3 diff seasons)
This is voted by NHL GM's, ranking their top 3 each season. Imperfect, but a pretty decent glimpse of the top 5ish goalies each season.
Of course there are plenty of good goalies that don't win the cup. But, it is exceptionally rare for a team to win the cup without a really good goalie (ie. one who garners multiple vezina votes in multiple seasons).
Good news is that Talbot finished 4th in 2017 (and a single vote in 2015).