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Originally Posted by Peanut
There’s just no point debating it. It’s also offensive to be called stupid so I’m not encouraged to engage. I actually find the debate really upsetting and also I’m on my phone so I’m not my most eloquent.. I think all arguments at some point relegate the woman to a carrier with no or limited rights, because the fetus needs to live. But her rights don’t suddenly become “restored” once she’s had the baby, because it’s now a living being that needs love, care, and support (financial and otherwise) for 18 years. So it’s actually now a lifetime of imposed restrictions that the woman did not actively choose. And you can argue for adoption, but there’s plenty of kids who don’t get adopted and instead live their childhoods in foster care and whatever else less than ideal circumstances.
To me (at least in our Canadian system) the simplest message really is “if you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one”. I think it includes men in the message - they are involved in birth control decisions (or they should be!) and in the vast majority of cases would be involved in the decision to terminate a pregnancy.
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The adoption system has a lot of room for improvement.
Foster care is not ideal, but better than the alternative of living in the streets or being homeless.
I also think pulling in what happens after birth as a way to justify the abortion is a lame and completely morally reprehensible way of looking at it.
Yes, some parents struggle to make ends meet, and yes the government or society as a whole doesn't always provide the care and support that parents need. I think most everyone in this thread would agree with added child support for under privileged mothers, and it IS something that Canada as a country is doing. In fact the Liberal government has now twice increased child support amounts being paid out to families, and I think that is something that is simply being ignored, or worse, not even being acknowledged as something that could help mothers raise their children.
At the end of the day either the fetus is a human life before birth, or it isn't. And if it is, it should be protected under the law. Human life, and the RIGHT to live should be our most cherished and protected right. It is MUCH more important than personal choice.