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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT
Do the non-religious believe in souls?
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Sure, why not? When does a fetus begin learning? Gaining "intelligence"?
I actually think it's pretty easy for people to find common ground on this issue, there's just arguments over extremes and misconceptions that make people think they disagree.
Let's take the most extreme possible example. A perfectly healthy woman with a solid support system decides late in her pregnancy she does not want to have the child and is invoking her right to choose. Her reason is moot. It does not matter. She will have this abortion with or without our help and we need to first and foremost recognize that as a reality. So, yes there probably do need laws based around this (SUPER RIDICULOUSLY UNLIKELY SCENARIO) should it ever actually arise. What should we, as a state, do? I would say have her undergo an emergency c-section and do everything possible to keep both parties as healthy as possible, and then give the child up for adoption. This is really her only choice, unless she wants to carry it to full term and then give it up for adoption, which if she had access to proper healthcare and medical advice would probably be suggested and what would happen.
Now, there are two questions here. 1) If that child dies, was a crime committed and by who? 2) Is this a situation that happens?
I'm pretty sure the answer to 2 is no, pretty much never. So is the answer to number 1 relevant?
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Originally Posted by zamler
I don't know. I do know that using abortion as a form of contraception is at best irresponsible it's not unheard of for a woman to have had 3-4 abortions before they are 21 years old.
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Okay I think this is an important point to address, because it's one of these extreme cases that people get caught up on. If abortion is free and readily available, will there be people that do this? Yes. Probably. Like a few. You'd probably hear about it because it's crazy. Much crazier than the thousands of other cases where it helped everyone involved, including you as a taxpayer (which, however abhorrent you may find it, so did those 3-4. They prevented 3-4 children from being born into situations where they would continue to be a drain on society and likely have very little chance of breaking a similar cycle). There will always be outliers taking advantage of a system. If a person is have multiple abortions they have more problems than that, and offering them a full support system for whatever health issues they may be having is the best way to prevent further instances.