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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
It's been pointed out by me previously and others in this thread that there is a big gap between comparing Bennett to a league average that includes the worst teams in the league and comparing him to contending teams.
It also conveniently leaves out that the context of his production benefitted from spending 30+ percent of his icetime this season with Backlund and tkachuk, who also coincidentally happened to produce less tangible offense when paired with Bennett.
Outside of those second line minutes he was producing tangible offense at a 4th line rate.
For something like the first 25 games of the season he was on an 18 point pace.
I just don't care how he compares to the oilers third line forwards.
How does he compare to the sharks, bolts, bruins, knights, Jets, caps, preds, avs, etc. third lines?
How does he compare in points per 60 against the teams that remain in the playoffs right now?
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Seriously?
They're averages, nothing more nothing less. If you want to call a guy a fourth liner on a contending team than say that. You didn't. You said fourth liner.
So I gave you averages from the league and never stated otherwise.
And I don't think it's drop the mic time to suggest players that get to play with better players tend to produce more than when they don't. Similarly I doubt that's much different than most of the players that make up that third line average across the league.
Bennett on the season ...
Possession Stats
CF% - 66th for NHL forwards (first line)
Shot Split - 89th for NHL forward (first line)
Expected Goal Split - 100th (2nd line)
Scoring Chance Split - 58th (1st line)
High Danger Splits - 64th (1st line)
Rates
CF60 - 43rd (1st line)
CA60 - 138th (2nd line)
SF60 - 109th (2nd line)
SA60 - 119th (2nd line)
XGF60 - 88th (1st line)
XGA60 - 160th (2nd line)
SCF60 - 54th (1st line)
SCA60 - 137th (2nd line)
HDCF60 - 72nd (1st line)
HDCA60 - 107th (2nd line)
Individual
Goals60 - 188th (3rd line)
PrimaryA60 - 87th (1st line)
Shots60 - 163rd (2nd line)
ExpGoals60 - 62nd (1st line)
IndividualCF60 - 134th (2nd line)
IndividualSCF60 - 41st (1st line)
IndividualHDCF60 - 34th (1st line)
This isn't a fourth line player, in fact this is a guy with third line average production, but is driving much more on the ice than is going in the net. Sure the bottom line is the bottom line, and I've been consistent in saying they need to upgrade the second line ahead of him, but why this guy gets labeled a fourth liner, or a player to walk away from is silliness.