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Originally Posted by Ashasx
I think this was truly the first bewildering episode of GoT to me.
I can take some pretty ridiculous plot points. I can accept quick transportation now. I can accept a ridiculous and useless adventure beyond the wall to capture a White Walker to try and convince Cersei to help in the battle against the Night King.
This episode had those same faults, but in addition were some faults that are truly heinous. They've completely broken character arcs and are making some characters act the complete opposite of how they should.
Why would Tyrion think he could convince Cersei to surrender? "You are not a monster"????? Nobody in the Seven Kingdoms should know that Cersei is a monster better than Tyrion. I feel like we had this exact same exchange back in season 4. This made no sense.
And then Dany. We had six seasons of Dany on the other side of the narrow sea, starting from rags to eventually becoming the Queen of Meereen. She was impatient at times, and ruthless as she should be, but she learned from her mistakes. She listened to her advisors. She learned how to rule. She learned to be patient.
And now she can't wait a few days to allow her army to rest? She doesn't scout ahead, and instead allows her dragon to take three direct ballista hits?
I feel like these aren't even the same characters. It's so unsatisfying.
Truly, it would have been better if they were killed. At least when people died in this series prior, the characters never strayed from who they were. For better or for worse, dead or alive, the characters felt real.
These characters don't.
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You do know that characters develop throughout, right?
Cersei has shown her weaknesses and Tyrion was playing to what he knew was one of those. Not really out of character for either of them. Cersei became a monster when her children died, but believing she is pregnant, he thought she might have softened again. He probably believed that her attempted assassination attempt on him and Jamie was to protect said child. Tyrion himself has become softer through his own development and is more prone to believing the best of others. Varys alluded to this when he said he was there to protect the realm and asked Tyrion what his end goal was. Tyrion still believes the best of Dany even though she's started showing her faults more and more.
Dany's personal story line has also changed to one of desperation. She has spent almost her whole life believing that she is the rightful claimant to the 7 Kingdoms and has worked tirelessly to attain it. She has also shown her ruthlessness in attaining that goal by killing those who refused to bend the knee. The Northerners who were fighting alongside her against the wights were not fighting for her, their Queen; they were fighting for Jon, their King and she knew it.
It was Sansa that suggested their men needed a rest. Do you think Dany was likely to listen to Sansa in regards to anything? She wanted her men and everyone who was coming from the North away from there as quickly as possible, preferably before word got around that it's actually Jon who is the rightful heir to the throne.
I don't believe anything that happened was out of character for any of them. Remember that Jon told Dany who he was before the battle against the Night King. I believe it is that knowledge that is causing a lot of her rash decisions. She watched how the men are drawn to Jon, how they already celebrate him. If she stays and lets her men rest, they have more bonding time with the rightful heir. She can't allow that. Not after all she's been through to get where she is now. But she also can't kill him outright because then she will lose the North. It wouldn't surprise me if Dany kills Jon eventually.