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Originally Posted by New Era
Au contre my carbon loving friend. It's like you don't even bother to do any research.
Cost of lithium ion batteries have dropped 76% since 2012 and continues to drop rapidly as battery production increases around the globe.
https://about.bnef.com/blog/battery-...tens-coal-gas/
https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...bnef#gs.9f6xz0
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ry-pack-costs/
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/09...packs-in-2020/
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/12/11...tting-cheaper/
https://data.bloomberglp.com/bnef/si...and-market.pdf
You mean the cost of components? Isn't that exactly what I just said? Since the number one component in an EV is the battery pack, the cost to drive prices down will be the cost of the battery pack. Those costs are dropping dramatically and will make the cars that much more affordable.
No, but adding more manufacturing capacity will make batteries more readily available and drive the cost of them down... which is exactly what is happening.
You mean like the $35K Tesla, or the $35K Chevy, or the $30K Nissan, or the number of low cost Chinese cars waiting to get permission to be imported into the North American market. And that doesn't take into consideration the number of models the Europeans are developing and bringing to market.
New developments are happening every single year. Better batteries with better capacity are being developed all the time. Better technology in other components are also making huge improvements. The industry is still in its infancy, but for some reason you think this is the best there will be. It's laughable. It's like suggesting the best aviation had to offer was two years after Kittyhawk.
Yeah, even if it is contributing to the demise of the planet as we know it. What are you going to do when these vehicles do become more affordable? What would happen if these subsidies you were crying about were finally held back from the car manufacturers and the fossil fuel industries? What happens when you have to pay for a gallon of gas what it actually costs to process it? What will happen then? Will those IC engines still be affordable? Christ, I'm hearing people piss and moan about cost with gas at $3.20 a gallon. Double that when the subsidies end and then talk about affordability.
Well, that's a credible source.  |
I really enjoy when someone discusses lithium ion batteries as the way to go in the future. Science and logic will tell you that you are wrong. There hasn't been a mass produced battery advancement in a decade.
Let's play a game. It's called which of these is an open pit lithium mine and which of these is an open pit coal mine.
If you cant tell, they're both lithium mines.
You're probably not too pleased right now because your eco sense is tingling, but guess what powers the loaders moving that lithium? Diesel.
The same diesel that powers 400 tonne coal haulers in Sparwood.
Oh fudge me in my cinnamon cannon, they use the same haulers to mine lithium! Rats!
Well at least we will be able to charge our new vehicles with state of the art lithium ion batteries (thank you Exxon circa 1970 ish.) using completely renewable and sustainable energy:
EVs have value, in Canada they are worthless with our infrastructure for long trips. If you don't leave your latte sipping bubble, go for it.
The general public doesn't understand the construction of a battery, the process of making one or the energy capacity of one, nor do they understand where the energy to charge a battery comes from either.
If you want to more effectively reduce your GHG emissions, dont look at your car. Look at your house and remove your furnace. Put in electric heaters. Your house stays warm 24 hours a day, your car runs for 4 hrs.