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Old 04-11-2019, 07:30 PM   #2292
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I appreciate your side of the story, but I very much disagree with you.

Providing protections for students through GSA's is more critical to individual lives than I think you are giving credit for. You can ask a number of formally at-risk youth coming out of the school system.

Most of what goes on in GSA's is literally just kids, having lunch, discussing normal things in their lives, and using it as a safe spot to avoid bullying and social pressures that come with the territory. Please keep in mind the "S" in this, which includes straight students. It is a general safe spot for all.

You have used an extreme case of actions inside a GSA to represent what goes on inside these groups.

What happens when LGBTQ youth are outed when they are not ready to do so can have severe consequences. There are youth who have been ostricized by their parents and family because its considered shameful, or because they have genuine problem with homosexuality. Here's comments from a recent CBC article that may help articulate some of that fear sentiment.

Perhaps you should ask the LGBTQ2 community about what goes on in these rooms, and what the atmosphere is like to get a real sense. You would probably find very strong opinions that they feel they can open up in those rooms and share with like-minded individuals feelings and information they do not feel comfortable telling educators and moreso parents. I think you'll find quite a support reactive for privacy in these settings.

Whether a GSA is on-site or not is not really the point in this problem; it is the idea of whistleblowing on kids that are in GSAs is left to the school to decide if that is appropriate. There should be no room for a school to pick and choose which clubs a student joins should be relayed to parents.


You have to understand - there are things that some youth can only speak to other youth or trusted confidantes about; not talking about it with parents is not a bad thing, what matters is they talk to the right people that can listen and understand; parents are not therapists nor should they force themselves to be.


This is where I have fundamentally different views than you do on this. And that's OK. Rag on the NDP too if you want. My point about Kenny doing this being dangerous is that he said he wouldn't do this last year, and he completely did, amidst all the fire and fury over economy and pipelines. Telling people not be concerned is covering up his own fallacy like a coward.


I guess the difference here, is that I’m taking the situation at their word. Nobody is campaigning on eliminating GSA’s. The UCP is campaigning on giving discretion back to those directly involved, for some circumstances; perhaps some of these extreme circumstances. What’s being portrayed instead is they want to “out” all the kids.
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