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Old 03-29-2019, 01:50 PM   #849
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Originally Posted by Cowboy89 View Post
Maybe you can let Caylan Ford defend herself here:



Of course the reality of what's going on is nuanced and long-winded. Press Progress is at best the left wing mirror image of the Rebel Media. In the realm of truth seeking Duncan Kinney should be treated in the same regard as Ezra Levant.
Here's the thing, the source of the original "Leak" isn't really relevant. The fact is no one is making things up, they are just reporting what Caylan Ford has/written. Does the source matter if what they are reporting is true/accurate?

Caylan Ford and Eva Kiryakos are prime examples of "When someone shows you who they are, believe them".

Both of them made some pretty inflammatory statements, neither one of them, at the time of resigning, made any attempt to really back off of, or explain "context", and in Kiryakos' case, she pretty clearly doubled down on them.

I didn't listen to the interview, I read the Coles notes. If she really was harassed, sure that's inappropriate, but there are 2 very important things that need to be noted:

1) Whether or not she was harassed does not, and cannot, excuse some of the comments she made.

2) No matter what they say, (particularly in Kiryakos' case), someone quoting you verbatim is not bullying, and is not blackmail, it is showing people who you are.

Clearly, people can and do change, as I pointed out in the post you quoted, and if these were old comments and they could show that they were out of context, or they had changed their stance/opinion, then I would welcome that change.

That's what we want in leaders, people who can evaluate new information and make informed decisions, and people who can recognize that they may be on the wrong side of a moral argument and change their mind/stance.
If either of these 2 had shown that sort of change, I would be applauding them.

They have not, and their excuse of "I don't want to be a distraction" is one more reason I can't support the UCP.

When a party would rather accept the resignation of people who feel the way these two do, and make statements of support, so that they "Aren't a distraction" rather than condemning those beliefs and removing them, it shows that at least some level they are willing to accept that in their party.

These statements aren't an issue to the UCP because people in their party are making them, they are an issue to the UCP because people are finding out their candidates are making them.
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