[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I think you are looking at this through absolutism, there are clear distinct differences of being a conservative to a white nationalist.

Sure there are. Just like there are differences between cultural conservatives, social conservatives, neoconservatives, paleoconservatives, theoconservatives, fiscal conservatives, and (my favorite) crunchy conservatives. Bottom line is they embrace many of the same values and ideals. Here in the United States those values would include individual liberty, pro-market economics, anti-communism, deregulation and smaller government (or so they say on the latter), low taxes, a belief in Judeo-Christian ideals (over all others), and a defense of the Western European/American tradition. Those values establish conservatism in a nutshell. The extent to which you will defend any of those values establishes where you are on the spectrum.

They are not all lumped together under conservatism.

Well, I'm not. You're trying to cut conservatism into onion skin slices so you can claim you are not party to the likes of David Duke. What I am telling you is that he embraces many of the same values and beliefs you do, which makes him conservative in nature. Where that differentiation comes in is his radical belief in a couple of important values, which differentiates you from him on the conservative spectrum.

You are over-simplifying the political spectrum.

But I'm not. This isn't complex. See the link to follow.

Your mind is already made up though, keep believing patriarchy and religion is what only decides why someone is a conservative.

Patriarchy and religion are really irrelevant to be honest with you. It is the values that members of each of those groups that hold that are important. Again, it boils down to what you believe and the conviction you will place on those beliefs as to where you shake out on the political spectrum.

I don’t place Nazism or communism as an extremes of liberalism, but by your definition it is.

I hope you don't place them together as they are competing ideologies. Communism is the extreme left of the political spectrum, and as such is part and parcel of the liberal left. It's the extreme left, but it is the left all the same. Nazism is not the left. Again, check their values, they ascribe to more values and beliefs of the right than they do the left. This is the point. Values and beliefs determine your political leanings, not who or what you claim to be. For example, a certain poster can claim to be a liberal, but the values he embraces and the dogma he preaches shows him to be a conservative. You can try and run away from what you are, but your actions will tip your hand. Values and beliefs.

That doesn’t fit your narrative though so I’m sure you will disagree. This over-generalization from people on both sides of the spectrum is what has contributed to such a toxic political atmosphere. Conservatism is not white nationalism, liberalism is not socialism or communism.

I'll say this again. Ultimately, your beliefs and values determine where you fall on the political spectrum. Please take this simple test (10 minutes) to see what I mean. No loaded questions, just a measure of your response to values based questions. I hope this is enlightening and will give you more clarity on determination of political leaning.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test