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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Why is it nonsense? Just because you say it?
Tell me
What could the Flames offer to meet or beat
- 2019 2nd
- Ryan Hartman
- Kevin Fiala
What, in your view, are "similar value offers".
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To Fiala? Bennett is probably close. Less productive / less skill but more useful in a third line role.
To Hartman and a Nashville 4th? Maybe Mangiapane and a first, and Philly adds a 3rd? Might not even need Mangiapane there, honestly. Or you make Dube part of a deal that requires Philly to add something else.
But my valuation of various players isn't the point. The point is that you don't need a second round pick to compete with these offers. There are other things you can put together, particularly when later picks can be flipped for earlier ones to adjust the value as the parties see fit.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Simmonds as older rental depth was traded for Hartman, who is younger, cost controlled depth. Hayes is top six, not really depth, and a rental who seems to want to play in the US. Zuccarello hasn't really worked out well, and who knows when he's back.
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Okay, well, in my view you're underrating some useful forwards there. It's particularly unfair to say "Zuccarello hasn't worked out" when he got hurt in his
first game.
I just imagine the Flames in a series against the Knights or whoever, it's double overtime, can I see Wayne Simmonds or Mats Zuccarello scoring the game winner? Yeah, I really can.
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On the overall point though, I don't think (and I suspect Treliving thinks the same way) that this is Calgary's one and only shot. All the teams that made bigger moves have windows that are closing rapidly. That's not the case here.
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I don't think it's their only shot, either, but it might be their best shot. There's a decent chance that it is, because this is a really good team. And I disagree about windows closing - that's not the case for Vegas, Winnipeg or Nashville. You could certainly argue it is for the Sharks, but we've been saying that for about ten years.
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Originally Posted by corporatejay
Lol, this is arm-chair GMing at its finest. Sens were in the conference finals 2 years ago, losing in game 7 in double OT and now they are hot garbage because their GM is an idiot.
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I'm going to go ahead and say that that one is the owner's fault... Dorion's trades recently haven't actually been terrible considering the position he's in, which is basically a fire sale. Not that he shouldn't be fired because of the whole Duchene disaster - especially given the optics if Colorado drafts Hughes - but it's really not all his fault (or even mostly his fault).
Anyway, I don't know what you're suggesting here. That if Treliving makes trades to bolster the roster, the Flames will turn into Ottawa? There are a lot of stops on the Awful Train between where the Flames are and where Ottawa is. I'm pretty confident that Treliving can avoid that outcome.