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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
^ So you have on one hand Rittich, who is developing and doing well so far, and Ramo, on whom the team cut bait when he was injured. Those are your success stories.
I will give you three proven NHL goalies who have gotten worse. Much worse.
In 3 consecutive years, Hiller, Elliott and Smith were all incoming as proven NHL goalies, who fell off the cliff under his watchful tutelage. He shouldn’t be questioned? Especially as all three guys seemed to be increasingly subject to mental errors, bad things creeping in to their game, and stoppable shots all of a sudden being unstoppable. It’s not like it’s just one guy.
Hiller never had a sv % below .910 before joining the Flames. Then at age 33, fell off a cliff. Got in a funk under Sigalet, let in softies early and couldn’t get out of that funk.
Elliott. Still putting up a serviceable .910 ish sv%, he is a NHL goalie. Somehow his confidence ended up being shot here, resulting in the brutal goals allowed during the playoffs. After the previous playoffs putting up a .921 and making the third round. So he went from clutch one year to letting in a squeaker from the half boards
Smith - very good the first half of last year, now arguably the worst goalie in the league with his workload
All three of these guys got in to funks under Sigalet that they couldn’t get their way out of under Sigalet. Punctuated by allowing some specific really, really bad goals, right through them, at very bad times, that are stoppable. That is alarming!
Seriously, how can you deny seeing that commonality?!!
Go ahead, find me another team that broke 3 goalies in 3 years.
You could argue that he is like veteran goalie poison.
If I’m a teacher, one student in my class passes, and most flunk, tough to look at the one student and say I’m a great teacher.
I don’t think you can rant at people questioning Sigalet. Telling them that the evidence of his success is right in front of their faces, because his failures are quite evident.
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Hiller - was no longer a proven NHL starter. In fact, his first season in Calgary was his best in a number of years (4? 5 seasons?). He was over the hill and Anaheim cut bait with him.
Elliott - proven starter? He had never been a bona fide starter in his entire career before or after Calgary. Sure, he was a starter for a season or two with Ottawa, but he was terrible. Don't you remember that the talk of the town when Calgary acquired him was "can Brian Elliott handle being a starter"? Short answer: No. Not in Calgary, and not in Philly either. Definitely wasn't one in St. Louis. That's why the youngest goalie in the NHL - Carter Hart - is now the starter. Elliott has ONE good playoffs, and has underperformed in all his others. He has never been able to take that step in any other organization, so why is Sigalet to blame for him again?
Smith - look at Smith's numbers last year. I believe it was his 4th best season of his career in SV%. That's crazy when you think of it, especially since he came back from injury too early and performed poorly. Look at how old he is. Look at how goalies his age and older do. Sorry, but is it really Sigalet making him worse, or just age catching up with him? Some of the leagues' best goalies are finishing up their careers, and they are not looking great doing it. Martin Broudeur - one of the best goalies of all time - started falling of a cliff at age 37. Smith at his prime was only a 'decent' starter, with only a single season in which he was truly a great goalie. Yes, he was, unlike Eliott, a legitimate starter when Calgary acquired him, but again this is at the end of his career. So is it age with Smith (and perhaps injury - he isn't moving laterally all that well from the looks of it since before he got injured last season), or is it Sigalet?
Question you should really ask yourself is: "Is Jordan Sigalet the problem that ails Calgary's goaltending, or is it that Calgary just keeps going bargain bin shopping for goalies?"
Also, maybe think of this: We have heard absolutely ZERO comments about Sigalet being a poor goalie coach. We haven't heard one single peep out of any of the goalies that passed though Calgary regarding anything negative about Sigalet, regardless of how unhappy they were just after leaving. But what we have heard is outright praise - Ramo, Rittich and even Smith.
Again, my point is that you, nor I, nor anyone else on this forum knows how good of a job or not that Sigalet is doing, but pointing at a bunch of goalies that Calgary has clearly been pulling out of the bargain bin and proclaiming this correlation as evidence doesn't make it so.