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Originally Posted by GioforPM
WTF does a different era have to do with trading reps and being avoided because you fleeced someone?
You are really reaching here. I think you better check out games played for Seiloff - he played a game for the Sens. One game. How many did Chiasson play? And how much short term help were Glencross and Hudler? How good were the picks?
But leave Treliving aside, there have been recent "fleecings" by other gms who still seem to manage to find trading partners. Remember how no one dealt with Nill after he got Seguin and Peverly for a bunch of scrubs? And Spezza for Chiasson? How did Doug Wilson ever get a deal after stealing Thornton? How did Pile ever get a deal after Forsberg?
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Maybe read what I wrote.
I said “If” the trade is a win then they are a long ways away from Fleecing the other team. Sure argue that Ottawa didn’t win the trade or receive value. Calgary didn’t qualify Chiasson.
You’re really arguing with yourself here. These are things that Burke has stated, as he had guys who wouldn’t trade with him after the Sedin draft trades.
1. Every single trade you mentioned happened after that, so it could be argued that with all of the trades you mentioned the people making the trade were conscious of how much their trade helped both teams or didn’t and worked from there. This could be as simple as not bragging & making someone else look stupid, or the Glen Sather MO.
2. Winning a trade can be viewed as one person fleecing another, or one person not doing their due diligence. McConnell was canned in Boston after the Thornton trade, & Sutter didn’t fully put Phaneuf on the market. Burke has acknowledged that he heard from another GM Dion was available so he called Darryl. The perception of a trade amoungst GMs becomes reality so the good ones manage the narrative accordingly.
Boston won a cup without Thornton, using the cap space the trade opened up to sign Chara. That’s an easy sell for Wilson to make if he ever had to.
The bottom line is that making trades is about trust, look at why certain teams or GMs only trade or frequently trade with each other.
Because there is a level of trust. If that is broken trades become harder to make.
He’ll look at the Oilers. No GM is throwing them life preservers in a trade. They’ll open with cinder blocks then offer boat anchors. Their four #1’s topped off with McDavid broke trust.
Treliving knows this & is conscious not to break trust.
With Skinner’s success this trade will look more like Waddel or the owner screwing things up rather than Treliving fleecing them.