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Originally Posted by rubecube
Being the best QB out of a bad bunch doesn't mean you're good. Again, none of the things you're saying aren't things you couldn't also say about a handful of other average QBs who had various flashes in the pan during their careers. The numbers are the most objective way to look at a player, and the numbers say Mariota is below average in most passing categories.
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I like to use QBR to rank the QB's, and it has Mariota 20th (Kinda where you expect), right below Flacco (Rogers really struggling this year)
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
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If you could get Mariota signed for around $15 million a year, I'd be interested in him. But at $25 million+ a year, which is the market rate for a mid-level QB, he holds virtually no appeal. It's only a matter of time, with the advantages of paying the rookie QB scale, that a team walks away from a guy who might be a franchise guy (but is more likely a Tannehill) to go back into the pool and draft another QB. Mariota (but really moreso Winston) seem like ideal candidates, but GMs are more afraid of what ifs than anything, so they'll both get contracts their teams will regret by year 2.
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Interesting how high Trubisky is, another player you want the Bears to move on from. TBH I don't think you full grasp the NFL pay scale
Tyrod Taylor makes 16 mil, Foles as a backup 14 million, McCown 10 million. NO starting QB will ever sign a 15 million $ deal. 25 million is the new average starting point (Dak, Stafford, Mariota, Carr)
Right now it's a weird spot where the best QB's are still old and not signing mega deals, and the potentially new/best QB's haven't resigned.
There was a dead period of a few years where only a few QB's were drafted and stayed starters : Carr, Stafford, and Wilson come to mind.
Goff, Mahomes, Wentz, Trubisky wont be signing 25 million $ deals. They will be signing 30+ million $ deals.
It is insane to suggest walking away from a Trubisky or Mariota and hoping you get extremely lucky and find the next Brady, Manning, orRogers.
These are the QB's to win a championship in the past 15 years - I marked the guys Trubisky or Mariota could become/perform as:
Foles - Yes
Brady
P. Manning
Brady
Wilson - Yes (Very similar to Trubisky)
Flacco - Yes
E.Manning -Yes
Rodgers
Brees
Roeth
E Manning -Yes
P. Manning
Roeth
Brady
Brady
Johnson - Yes
Big Ben and Brees also weren't the stat machines they are now back in the day/when they were younger.
So if you are giving up on these guys, you sure better be getting one of the top 10 guys in history (Rogers, Manning, Brady) And 2 of those guys were semi lucky picks anyone could have had, without getting rid of their starter.
We are spoiled seeing these guys all at once. It is giving a false idea that this is the norm for what you need to win a championship at the QB position.
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And if we want the loosing QB, which shows even more how these guys could make it
Brady
Ryan
Newton
Wilson
P Manning
Kaep
Brady
Roeth
P Manning
Warner
Brady
Grossman
Hassleback
McNabb
Delhomme
Gannon