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Originally posted by Sammie@Nov 23 2004, 04:07 AM
Casualties caused by fighting in wars between soldiers, terrorists, insurgents, guerillas, and rebels don't count. Our soldiers also don't hide behind civilian human shields (made up of women and children) in mosques and churches. Thankfully most of our western governments are principled and value all human lives.
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so, let me get this straight.
the west, us, is always right.
so, when we invade a country, with planes, bombs, guns, and the like, we are obviously coming in with the best possible intentions and all the people should welcome us, right?
and when civilian centers start blowing up, not because terrorists are hiding in front of them, but because oppostion could use it, then that's all ok, right?
if country A invaded my country, country B, to oust a leader that did almost all of his bad bad things to countries B, C, D, etc. whilst country A stood by him, i would be less than amused.
point of fact i would probably resist.
and all those french resistance heroes from WW2, dressing as civilians, they were right to oppose their occupier, but the iraqis are... wrong, right?
look at a picture of a city in the mideast. mosques dominate, they are tall and make great sniper positions.
and guerilla warfare puts the civilians you're trying to liberate near the bottom of the priority list, somewhere slightly above the unwanted guests in your home. standard procedure.
as for palestinians, most alive today have known only the struggle. they have nothing else. point of fact their entire national identity was forged by israeli beligerrence - many israel apologists will tell you that the zionists bought the land off the arabs - one of the most pervasive fallacies ever. in a sense they are right - some jews bought some land off some arabs. they bought the land off _some_ arabs alright, in damascus and riyadh etc. that probably had never been to palestine. the people on the land were not exactly consulted - just their absentee landlords, chosen by the west, of course.
i mean, sure, whatever, wrong place, wrong time, right? i mean it's not like talmudic prophecy calls on jews to put all of the people living in reborn israel to the sword, man, woman and child, right? it's so obviously not religious extremism when it's not muslims, right? and it's not like the knesset has anywhere from 5-10% religious extremists signing into any coalition that promises settlements will remain, right?
religious violence is religious violence, and deaths are deaths.
your "right" and "wrong" seem to be tied to sides, but i'm here to tell you that there are only two sides - an individual and the people invading his home.
when you stand on someone's throat don't look shocked when they kick you in the balls.