[blankall]

Originally Posted by New Era

Well, you sort of did.





Now if you want to back track on that and say that not all college educated and liberal crowds are like that, then fine. I have no problem with that. I hope you can understand that when I say a particular group exhibits certain traits it is also a generalization and not every single one of those people who ascribe to that ideology completely, and as a result may not fall completely in that classification.

My exact quote:

Originally Posted by blankall

From my experience with the college educated and liberal crowd, there are many of them with delusions of grandeur and entitlement. Your assertion that the working class are largely motivated by a desire for extravagant wealth and fame is downright bizarre.

At no point did I say "all" or generalize anyone. I would state there are many people from all walks of life who are delusional.

Originally Posted by New Era

Well, you sort of did.
No doubt. That has never been in question. The issue is which is more harmful to society as a result of maintaining these delusions and harboring their entitlement?





Again, you appeared to infer something else, but I will accept your clarification. No harm, no foul.





And I agree with everything you say here. They absolutely have a point on each of these issues. Now, the larger question is, which of the two sides of this argument have provided greater traction on each of these issues, and which one has been front and center to infringement of rights or access on each of those issues? Are Republicans more likely to be the champion of the working class to guarantee systemic improvements to the various issues identified, or have they proven they are more inclined to be a roadblock and weaken systemic access?


So if you, as a voter, are looking for greater access to each of those things you alluded to, why in all things holy would you believe that the Republican Party would be worthy of your vote? When, in the past 60 years, have they done anything for the working class? The Republican Party is the Party of the elites. It is the Party of the rich. It is the Party of wealth transfer, but from the poor to the rich. What would lead you to believe that Republicans would have any interest in anything but self-enrichment?

The issue is that the current liberal system is not working for the working class. It serves only special interest groups and the upper middle class.

If people want to push the Clintons are liberal agenda. Then you need to take into account the effect of free trade agreements with Asia and South America, the loosening of securities restrictions, and the establishment of the corporate tax sheltering system have had on the working classes in the USA. This was, as several posters have stated in here, one of the most liberal presidents ever, and his economic policies turned a bad situation into a disastrous one.

Your assertion that liberals should always be the choice for the working class because they mean well isn't going to get you anywhere with anyone.

I'm not supporting conservative economic policy. In fact, I believe that different situations call for different approaches, and that anyone who states that one party's position is always the right choice is not only wrong but downright dangerous.

We may simply be in a situation where there are no parties genuinely supporting working people, and you can't expect the working class to vote Democrat again after they've been let down for the last 8 years.