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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
Other things can cause an environment that is not nurturing. One of them is if your parents are poor. So by this logic, abortion should only be illegal for rich people. The fact is, as soon as you allow for environmental factors such as this, you have to also include in your thinking the fact that a child that is unwanted will also be raised in an environment that is not nurturing. This is why the rape argument is such a boondoggle for the pro-life side of this debate. You're kind of in a corner--either it's about the life of the embryo or fetus (depending on gestational age) or other moral factors count. And if other moral factors count, then others besides rape or incest are also valid.
I'm a little alarmed that you think rape is the "only" time you sympathize with abortion. What if carrying a baby to term is a grave threat to the health of the mother?!?
Personally, I think you should have to get a license to be allowed to carry a child to term. The social consequences of being a bad parent are far more dire than the social consequences of terminating a pregnancy.
But.... schizophrenia isn't caused by environmental factors, just FYI. It, like most mental illnesses, is due to a biological problem with the brain.
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That's a HUGE leap to make, all lower class babies should be aborted? Ridiculous. I do not recall any studies that showed a correlation between a nurturing environment and family income. What perhaps you are eluding to is a quality of life corelation, not nurture. I bet there are just as many, if not more, high-income less-nurturing families as lower-income families.
I don't think you can generalize the whole situation as being painted into a corner where it's "other moral factors" versus the life of the unborn child and then apply that logic to every situation. It's not an issue of cancelling out morals, it's an issue of which morals you hold in priority. Some pro-lifers don't even think a rape victim's abortion is justified, I personally do. I don't think you can play this off as illogical any more so than a pro-choicer who is against murder... except when it's in a womb.
There has been no absolute causation of schizophrenia, most Psychologists, regardless of what perspective they follow (except maybe the biological perspective), believe it is both a nature and nurture issue. Obviously, a large portion of society might possess the schizophrenia gene, but unless coupled by environmental factors will never develop.
Hypothetically speaking, a rape-victim is the only situation where I would sympathize with someone who had an abortion. But, I mean, if I knew about every single situation, perhaps that would change. I don't know, I have never known anyone that had to kill their baby to survive. It would obviously take a lot for someone to abort their fetus, especially if they didn't want to in the first place, but if we're talking about someone who thinks that having a baby will make them fat or something stupid like that and they have an abortion because it would be harmful to her health... well, that's a different story. Personally, I am against suicide as well, so that again is an issue of where your morals are in relation to other morals. So, what's worse? Potentially killing yourself, or killing your unborn child? I hope I never have to make that decision...
I had a roomate, that was a practising Psychologist, that believed the same thing as you, only she was more extreme and thought that at birth, every female should get her tubes tied, take a parenting class, and when they pass the class have the surgery reversed. I think that kind of thinking is dangerous, and reminds me of selective sterilization... creepy. So, perhaps we should just stop allowing mentally handicapped people from having children too? That's just crazy talk!