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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Well they did have a bit of a "luck of the draw" last year too.

Their 12 points were the second lowest of any group winner in what was seen as an easy group with Sevilla, Spartak Moscow, & Maribor - and they didn't actually beat Sevilla as both games ended in a draw. The only group winner with fewer points was Roma but they were in a group with Chelsea, Athletico Madrid, and Qarabag - so more understood.

Then they got Porto in the round of 16, Manchester City in the QFs, and Roma in the Semi Finals after Roma's miraculous comeback knocked out Barcelona for them.

Compare that to the CHAMPIONS Real Madrid (just need to remind Liverpool fans of this because I think sometimes they think getting to the finals means they won).

2nd in a tough group (with Tottenham, Dortmund, & APOEL but 14 pts was still more than Liverpool). Then they had to go through PSG, Juventus, & Bayern Munich to get to the final.

So Liverpool didn't actually beat a reigning league champions from any of the top 5 leagues - and their only real tough team was Manchester City - and I feel like when teams from the same domestic league play each other in the CL it's always a bit of a toss up.

Jesus, that was like a rabid grizzly on a newborn fawn.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Here are the final groupings.

B, C, and H should all be fun.

Group A: Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Monaco, Brugge

Group B: Barcelona, Tottenham, PSV Eindhoven, Inter

Group C: Paris Saint-Germain, Napoli, Liverpool, Red Star Belgrade

Group D: Lokomotiv Moscow, Porto, Schalke, Galatasaray

Group E: Bayern Munich, Benfica, Ajax, AEK Athens

Group F: Manchester City, Shakhtar Donetsk, Lyon, Hoffenheim

Group G: Real Madrid, Roma, CSKA Moscow, Viktoria Plzen

Group H: Juventus, Manchester United, Valencia, Young Boys

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Juventus and United in the same group....

Ronaldo's coming home! Things are a bit different since he left though.