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Old 08-28-2018, 12:36 PM   #45
Enoch Root
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Originally Posted by Nelson View Post
The reason scoring chances, shots, and shot attempts are important to me is that they indicate the Flames were in the other team’s end. If your team is in the other team’s defensive zone more than they are in your defensive zone.


Why are you so confident in basing your opinion on how you remember feeling in the 2015-2016 and 2016-2017 seasons?
Do they though? Let's look at the numbers you posted on Hamilton and Giordano when apart...

CF%: 51.33% vs 50.11% (the largest differential of the numbers you posted)

Is the difference significant?

Over the course of 3 years, Hamilton had 1677 even-strength SATfor and 1624 SATagainst, or +53. Giordano had 1712 and 1706, or +6.

That works out to a differential of 47 shots, or 1 shot every 5.2 games. To refer back to the claim you made about being in the other team's zone, does 1 shot every 5 games really tell us that?

So what do these numbers tell us? The answer is nothing really, because we haven't factored in situational factors like who were they playing with? or against? what about zone starts? or game score?

Does Hamilton get extra ice-time when behind? Does Giordano get more defensive situations? I don't have the stats, but I would guess that both of those things are true, at least to some degree.

If we try and separate all those issues, we end up with very small sample sizes. If we don't, we end up with noise.

The only thing for certain is that those numbers don't really tell us anything.

I absolutely agree with you that calling Hamilton garbage is ridiculous. But like Bingo was saying, watching him play defensively was not without its frustrations. To me, these stats don't change that at all, because the differences in the percentages are too small to tell us much, once we realize how much noise is inherent in them.
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