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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Your point was that you could use numbers from football to do a numeric analysis from hockey. I didn't prove that point, because it was obviously wrong.
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This chart shows the value of NHL draft picks from the perspective of draft pick only trades from '06 - '12. i.e.: 6th = 45.9 points + 22nd = ~20 points + 28th = ~15.5 points, for a total of 81.4 would not usually be enough to trade up to 1st overall = 100 points)
My source is
https://www.broadstreethockey.com/20...lue-trading-up
Not a perfect equation because there are not a lot of picks only trades, but it does support the conclusion there is some level of correlation to the NFL numbers he quoted. TSN also looked at it a few years ago from the quality of player you expect to get with each pick perspective - which shows a similar curve.
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I thought you said you were done; but since you obviously aren't, here's a basic lesson for you from a professional statistician:
Your numbers from the NFL are not measurements; they are numbers on an arbitrary scale, derived by an unspecified method from measurements that you do not provide. No units are given.
For the NHL, you have provided no numbers, no measurements, and no units.
You then assert that the NFL and NHL numbers are correlated. You have established no correlation, because the very minimum you need for a correlation is two sets of measurements in the same units.
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The very minimum you need for a correlation is two things that seem to be associated in a way not explained by random chance. There are a lot of correlations which are not possible to measure in consistent units. For example, what consistent unit would you use to measure the correlation between heat waves and deaths? Color of a car and likelyhood of speeding tickets? (red cars get the most).
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I'll offer you a deal: You stop making fatuous arguments, and I'll stop calling you out for it. This has nothing at all with my needing to be right; this is about having an honest discussion. God forbid that any uninformed person should be misled into thinking that your argument represents a valid way of using statistics. Things are bad enough already.
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Fun fact for the E=NG thread:
The Oilers gave up 16 and 33 (27.1+12.5 = 39.6 ) for Reinhart
The Flames gave up 15, 42, and 57 (28.5+8+4.3 = 40.8) for Hamilton