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Calgary4LIfe · 06-27-2018, 12:29 AM

It would be nice to know the actual underlying metrics. I just finished reading through the thread on HF, and there is a tonne of Canes fans saying fairly similar things about Ryan.

Some of the themes are:

Weakest (physically) player in the league, and easily knocked-off the puck and never wins a battle along the boards
Deployed with Skinner mostly, and thus that is where he got his points
Rarely ever PK'd - he is not a solid PK'er
Given ample amounts of offensive zone starts
Not a 4th liner - will put up points with skilled players, but you can expect his points to drop massively when not joined at the hip with talented players
Puts up a lot of points two seasons in a row when they were eliminated from the playoffs, but went through long droughts when they were in the thick of it
Horrible in OT - didn't play much in OT, but when he did he was out there for 3 OT goals against

It would be interesting to see actual data rather than "underlying numbers look good". It isn't like they sound bitter - it really sounds like they are glad that Ryan is moving on, though most of the problems it seems stems from the fact that Peters overused him, ahead of more talented players in key situations.

I have no idea how much of the above is true, but it paints a vastly different picture than what we expect out of him. If any of the analytic gurus here who happens to have time on his hands may want to paint a fuller picture and either confirm or stamp out what seems to be a less than stellar picture of a free agent that we are about to sign.

They did say he has good hands and can play with skilled players - I mean, he would otherwise not have been able to put up as many points as he did.

One thing stood out to me - they say that his possession was incredible with Skinner, but that he got destroyed in goals against. One poster made the comment that he will pass it back and forth all day until someone takes a shot, but is horrible defensively.

Once again, there is only so much you can believe - losing seasons makes people irate and often the blame gets thrown around irrationally. It is just a lot of Canes fans expressing the same types of responses.

06-27-2018, 12:29 AM	#304
Calgary4LIfe Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Exp:	It would be nice to know the actual underlying metrics. I just finished reading through the thread on HF, and there is a tonne of Canes fans saying fairly similar things about Ryan. Some of the themes are: Weakest (physically) player in the league, and easily knocked-off the puck and never wins a battle along the boards Deployed with Skinner mostly, and thus that is where he got his points Rarely ever PK'd - he is not a solid PK'er Given ample amounts of offensive zone starts Not a 4th liner - will put up points with skilled players, but you can expect his points to drop massively when not joined at the hip with talented players Puts up a lot of points two seasons in a row when they were eliminated from the playoffs, but went through long droughts when they were in the thick of it Horrible in OT - didn't play much in OT, but when he did he was out there for 3 OT goals against It would be interesting to see actual data rather than "underlying numbers look good". It isn't like they sound bitter - it really sounds like they are glad that Ryan is moving on, though most of the problems it seems stems from the fact that Peters overused him, ahead of more talented players in key situations. I have no idea how much of the above is true, but it paints a vastly different picture than what we expect out of him. If any of the analytic gurus here who happens to have time on his hands may want to paint a fuller picture and either confirm or stamp out what seems to be a less than stellar picture of a free agent that we are about to sign. They did say he has good hands and can play with skilled players - I mean, he would otherwise not have been able to put up as many points as he did. One thing stood out to me - they say that his possession was incredible with Skinner, but that he got destroyed in goals against. One poster made the comment that he will pass it back and forth all day until someone takes a shot, but is horrible defensively. Once again, there is only so much you can believe - losing seasons makes people irate and often the blame gets thrown around irrationally. It is just a lot of Canes fans expressing the same types of responses.