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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
What an awful take.
For a guy who tries to be so pragmatic you seem to be arguing that gut reaction is an accurate one.
I would debate you on every point, but the Flames have come out and since admitted Fox was unlikely to be signed. Are you just ignoring that part?
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Yeah, because an organization that trades a good young player never tries to justify it by citing extraneous circumstances. That never happens. Who's Tyler Seguin?
Anyway, regardless of whether you believe that about Fox, the initial post made it very clear that I think this is a bad hockey trade. In terms of hockey playing ability, potential risks and rewards, the Flames lose. Of course people want to talk about other factors - that's how motivated reasoning works. You don't want to think X, so you look for reasons that X can be questioned and latch onto them. It's actually a good sign of a lost trade - when you see that reaction happen shortly after the immediate shock and disappointment of the fanbase wears off. "No, you guys, I was thinking about it and it's actually not that bad because..."
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Again, you are acquiring two younger core players for one young core player, a pending UFA that I wouldn't re-sign, and a guy who apparently was going to walk in 2 years.
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Just listen to yourself trying to spin this. Hilarious. Let me try... "The Hurricanes are acquiring a legitimate top-pairing d-man entering his prime who can run their blue line for ten years, who's currently on an awesome sweetheart contract, along with a sure-fire 20 goal scorer and a
bona fide blue chip blue line prospect, and all they gave up in exchange was two underachieving middling players who have had every opportunity to succeed and instead have posted a combined -109".
That analysis isn't any more or less slanted than what you posted. You can make any trade look good or bad if you want to cast it in a negative or positive light, as you prefer. I'm looking at who the players the Flames got are today, based on a significant sample size of games. It's not ugly, but it's not pretty either. They're fine, upper middle of the roster players. Would it be an absolutely shocking, William Karlsson-esque surprise if they play better than that now that they're Flames? No. Is it a good bet that they will? I personally don't think so.
Anyway. I'm interested to see what they end up signing for. I doubt it'll make me change my mind, but it's an important factor in evaluating this.