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Originally Posted by TorqueDog
And couldn't be arsed to actually quote them, making someone else do your legwork for you. "It's not a claim. It's a fact." No, it's a claim until you actually provide evidence of your statement having some truth to it.
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Actually, that’s not really true. A fact can be a fact without providing the evidence directly, so long as the evidence exists (in this case, it did). A claim would be a statement without evidence or proof (and one that doesn’t necessarily depend on it, such as a POV, an inference, or a personal judgement, something qualitative).
I could tell you my name, and it would be a fact, I don’t have to show you my driver’s license to make it so. I could say over 60 million people were killed in WWII. It’s a fact, even without me linking you to the source. Your knowledge of whether it’s a fact or not is subjective, but it being a fact (or not) is not, so what you know is irrelevant to “fact status.”
Not that it has anything to do with the thread, I just thought it was an interesting point you tried to make.