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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hartley 2013-2016:

Shot Attempts for: 23rd
5-5 Goals for: 18th
5-4 Goals For: 15th
5-3 Goals For: 24th

Gulutzan 2016-2018
Shot Attempts For: 10th
5-5 Goals For: 21st
5-4 Goals For: 14th
5-3 Goals For: 7th

Most of that I think is a personnel issue, but it's not like Gulutuzan was handed an offensive juggernaut of a roster. If you don't think a team that wasn't higher than 15th in any offensive category didn't struggle to score, I don't know what to tell you.

Gulutzan's teams were as good offensively and miles better defensively.

The Flames problems in terms of offense come down to the amount of skill in the lineup.

How about we compare years where the core personnel were actually there? I mean throwing 2013 in there seems a bit disingenuous as Gaudreau was still in junior and Monahan was a 19 year old whom, despite some success, by most accounts should have been sent back to Junior..Also your numbers appear appear manipulated even for the Gulutzan. Here's what I have:


Hartley 2014-2016:
5-5 Goals for: 10th
5-4 Goals For: T-10th (2 teams)
5-3 Goals For: T-18th (8 teams)

Gulutzan 2016-2018
5-5 Goals For: 23rd (2 teams)
5-4 Goals For: 14th
5-3 Goals For: T-7th (5 teams)

Not only that, but your use of 5 on 3 scoring is baffling. We're talking a range of goals from 1 to 9 over a two year span due to how rare 5 on 3s actually are. It makes more sense to have an all-encompassing PP stat:

Hartley 2014-2016
PP Goals For: T-15th (2 Teams)

Gulutzan 2016-2018
PP Goals For: T-16th (2 Teams)

Which basically means the thing to compare is 5 on 5 scoring. Where again, as soon as we added Gaudreau, we were 10th in 5v5 goals over a two year period, and then fell to 23rd over Gulutzan's tenure. Gulutzan was handed a team that could score. Saying he wasn't is lying through your teeth. Additionally, this was also a team that was strong at 4 on 4 and that also fell off the map:

Hartley 2014-2016
4v4 Goals For: T-4th (2 Teams)

Gulutzan 2016-2018
4v4 Goals For: T-14th (2 Teams)

This is a core that has PROVEN it can score. Backlund, Frolik, Bennett, Giordano, and Brodie are all solid-to-strong offensive players coming off poor offensive seasons under a coach who simply hated the thought of offense unless it came from players who are going to get theirs regardless with elite shooting (Tkachuk / Monahan / Hamilton). Even Gaudreau faded without Monahan - something that didn't happen before Gulutzan.