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Originally Posted by Yamer
I mean, we can talk about GG, too, if you want, but that wasn't why I brought up Flames examples and what I meant by "balancing out". Obviously collectively the results didn't add up, but IMO half the players played at or above their standards, and half below.
I was using purely individualistic comparisons for a very exclusive argument. You won't find me disagreeing that Gulutzan was not the right coach for this team for the reasons you've listed (and probably more).
It's fair to raise questions, but your only support for that specific argument was Eric Staal, who was already under performing and looking disinterested playing with a below average roster before Peters arrived.
I don't believe it's a question for concern. Buff laid it out pretty well.
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Yeah I get that people don’t like the single player example.
I think the point of it was that franchise players don’t grow on trees. Many players can get 50 points, few can get 70 plus. And most coaches try to get their best players to be their best players, and build around their capabilities
To say they didn’t have top talent, Skinner had scored 33 g in 71 games. He is a supplementary example, he also dropped when Peters arrived.
When Hartley came here, many players saw huge steps in their development. He improved stats of a lot of guys that struggled under Brent. In late 13-14 and in 14-15 we saw individual overachievements and collective success.
Darryl pulled Iggy and a bunch of scrubs from a 7 year playoff drought into a contender, right?
I get all of the arguments and excuses why Staal did not produce under Peters.
I don’t dismiss them, and I certainly don’t think that the coach as a factor can be summarily dismissed either.
For that matter, Staal and Skinner are just data points.
The real question is whether Bill Peters got everything he could out of that Canes roster, individually and collectively?
We can’t know. We know he had a budget roster and young, and we know they were unsuccessful. There are valid reasons.
We also know that there is another coach out in Viking that you know has gotten the most out of teams collectively in his last 2 stops.
And our GM passed on him. So this guy must be better in his mind.