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Originally Posted by dammage79
How about instead of expecting drive by deep dive joke perhaps recognize that you've opened yourself up to them because you're preaching too heavily that these things mean something. Results say they mean far less than people so very despartely want them to.
Gullys team in two years finished 18th (2016/17) and 27th (2017/18) in goals for under his corsi freindly possesion system.
anf 14th and 20th in goals against.
Shot quantity stats mean jack squat. And it's bizzare that people still want to talk about it.
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The results over the long term actually so that the better teams tend to get more shots than not - the team stats for the last four seasons show that with only Carolina being an outlier over the long term.
BUT what often gets overlooked is a bit of the chicken & the egg argument.
Those teams aren't Great teams because they take more shot attempts than the other team. They get more shot attempts than the other team because they are a good team.
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I am of the opinion that possession stats are an important factor. However they are an important factor in evaluating the players, not in evaluating the systems.
I am of the opinion that your coach SHOULD NOT coach for possession. You need a roster full of players who naturally drive puck possession.
The coach needs to adapt his systems to the roster. A good coach will naturally produce good possession numbers with a good roster because there is a synergy between those two. Loading up on strong NHL-Caliber possession driving players like Matthew Tkachuk, Mikael Backlund, Nick Shore, Mark Giordano, Brett Kulak, etc is the right way. Loading up on possession-contriving coaches carries the risk of misutilizing important players' strengths.
Further, coaching for "high danger chances" carries even more risk than just coaching for possession, because now you're actually telling guys to ignore important plays like seam passes, one-timers from the circles, and the high slot in order to maximize your "scoring chances". It's recursive and self-defeating.
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This actually sums it up quite well IMO.
As a GM you should want your team to take more shots and carry possession more than the other team.
And as a GM you should try to get players that take more shots and carry possession more than players that bleed possession.
But as a coach you should NEVER, EVER, be coaching your players to play to pad their possession stats by taking low quality shots.
You can preach holding onto the puck, and not dumping it in, and playing with speed or as a unit, but as a coach but your system should never be "we are playing to take more shots than the other guys".
I actually think Vegas was a good example of this mindset.
They went and guys that had decent possession stats last year on other teams (Miller, Marchessault, Smith, Schmidt, Theodore, McNabb, etc) and then got a coach who played an uptempo, and fast game that really allowed them to blossom.